Question:
On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:35:14 -0800, "J Rogow" <JRo…@SpammenotNewsguy.com> wrote: >It’s the only way to stop them. They are the sort who google to see >if their name is used so they can spew into a new forum.
or they troll on a subject or an individual. It isn’t called "trolling" for nothin’. another way to combat them is to send as much support to the individuals of the group as possible. If you overwhelm the group with support for what we’re all going through with this DD, then the relatively low level of troll/troll-bait posts will seem less daunting. Flower-childish it may sound, but fill the group with love and support and you can’t go wrong. 
hugs, kcat
Response:
Thanks KC a wise and thoughtful msg as usual Get that love and support flowing gang!! Lyndal "KC" <kca…@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:hvdc7vc176674fa1pp70f6phcejjo5g1tb@4ax.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> When all else fails, use delete. > That said, we can’t always tell when a thread will include something > we don’t want to read. People can quote TH (or whoever is irking us > for the day) and this means members of the group who have him > killfiled (and even his "detractors") could easily stumble on some > snippet of nonsense or some battle or another. Therefore, it’s > impossible to completely remove the presence of any poster no matter > how hard we try. > therefore a couple of suggestions. > If you feel you must respond (and I did, if for no other reason than > to avoid getting back to my real work) then change the subject line to > something appropriate rather than keeping it in the original thread. > This way, people will more easily ignore or delete posts that are > dealing with trolls and the like. > The handful of folks who have posted recently on ASL that we have not > seen before and who are trying to take up the cross, so-to-speak are > not typical newbies seeking support. Therefore, despite their good > intentions, it’s probably wise to killfile them, at least short-term. > Or just ignore their posts. > Both "sides" are right. People who don’t know what TH is all about > (or similar trolls) should be warned. They should know what is going > on. A simple post to the group now and then should suffice. A post > sans name-calling and the like. > OTOH, responding to such posts directly does encourage the behavior > and further stress the group. I personally have found over the years > reporting abuse to ISPs to be largely useless. At the most it might > short-circuit the offender for a brief time while they get another > address. I have seen a couple of abusers go through a dozen or more > names before they finally got bored with trolling the group (not asl). > In both cases, do what *you* have to do. If you feel better > responding – do so. Just warn the rest of the group about what you > are doing. If you feel you have to report them, do so. > Yes, Ignoring them is the best way to reduce their activityt, even if > you can’t killfile them. But that is sometimes very hard to do. > Even friends are getting irritated with friends here due to the stress > this particular person has brought to the group. Some are feeling > defensive and misreading. We’ve been through it before and we know it > will calm down. There’s no reason to beat each other up right now. We > *need* each other especially. So – take it on the chin, please. > Recognize that dealing with abusive posters has to be handled > individually and we don’t all share the same opinions on how to do > that. But we *do* all share a concern for the members of the group > and for the lupus community at large. That concern should be the > guiding and uniting force. Not how we do or don’t react to attacks. > finally, there is always, Diane’s Patented Magic Flame-Retardent > Elixir. I highly recommend reading it and considering all the aspects > of internet interaction. > http://www.firelily.com/support/recovery/flame.retardant.html > KCat – I am not a medical professional. The contents of this post are
based soley on my experiences and opinions – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> http://www.ghg.net/schwerpt/mypage.htm > http://www.ghg.net/schwerpt/aslfaq30.htm > ("`-”-/").___..–”"`-._ > (`6_ 6 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.’`) > (_Y_.)’ ._ ) `._ `. “-..-” > _..`–’_..-_/ /–’_.’ ,’ > (()),-” (()),’ (((.-’
Response:
In article <hvdc7vc176674fa1pp70f6phcejjo5g…@4ax.com>, KC <kca…@newsguy.com> wrote >When all else fails, use delete.
Or indeed for my reader Kill Thread – Remove Thread; that way I avoid downloading followups *and* save disk space [ >OTOH, responding to such posts directly does encourage the behavior >and further stress the group. I personally have found over the years >reporting abuse to ISPs to be largely useless. At the most it might >short-circuit the offender for a brief time while they get another >address. I have seen a couple of abusers go through a dozen or more >names before they finally got bored with trolling the group (not asl).
Thing is, ISPs dislike abuse OF the Internet, but don't care about abuse ON the Internet. So if Mr X posts the same thing to umpteen groups, or binaries to text groups, he'll get his fingers cut off at the shoulder. If Mr X posts child pornography from within Europe, he'll go. If he forges someone else's address, chop. Post a libel within UK - bang. Why? The ISP does not want (a) other ISPs to black-hole it (b) the Law to sue it. But if Mr X merely (for some large value of mere) irritates the hell out of 365 lupies & supporters, that ain't the ISP's problem. Off-topic or against-FAQ posts offend us greatly, but don't come above the ISP's noise horizon. So I think the best thing to do with a posting or poster you could get by without is to say to yourself "He's trying to annoy me and I'm {expletive deleted} if I'm going to let him". And killfile him, and (if you can) the threads he starts. -- Andy [Chair, N E Lupus Group] See http://www.kitzbuhel.demon.co.uk/lupus for more!
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Thanks KC, if the folks don’t know how to filter, best just ignore. (I don’t have the delete option, but perhaps others do) J – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -KC wrote: > When all else fails, use delete. > That said, we can’t always tell when a thread will include something > we don’t want to read. People can quote TH (or whoever is irking us > for the day) and this means members of the group who have him > killfiled (and even his "detractors") could easily stumble on some > snippet of nonsense or some battle or another. Therefore, it’s > impossible to completely remove the presence of any poster no matter > how hard we try. > therefore a couple of suggestions. > If you feel you must respond (and I did, if for no other reason than > to avoid getting back to my real work) then change the subject line to > something appropriate rather than keeping it in the original thread. > This way, people will more easily ignore or delete posts that are > dealing with trolls and the like. > The handful of folks who have posted recently on ASL that we have not > seen before and who are trying to take up the cross, so-to-speak are > not typical newbies seeking support. Therefore, despite their good > intentions, it’s probably wise to killfile them, at least short-term. > Or just ignore their posts. > Both "sides" are right. People who don’t know what TH is all about > (or similar trolls) should be warned. They should know what is going > on. A simple post to the group now and then should suffice. A post > sans name-calling and the like. > OTOH, responding to such posts directly does encourage the behavior > and further stress the group. I personally have found over the years > reporting abuse to ISPs to be largely useless. At the most it might > short-circuit the offender for a brief time while they get another > address. I have seen a couple of abusers go through a dozen or more > names before they finally got bored with trolling the group (not asl). > In both cases, do what *you* have to do. If you feel better > responding – do so. Just warn the rest of the group about what you > are doing. If you feel you have to report them, do so. > Yes, Ignoring them is the best way to reduce their activityt, even if > you can’t killfile them. But that is sometimes very hard to do. > Even friends are getting irritated with friends here due to the stress > this particular person has brought to the group. Some are feeling > defensive and misreading. We’ve been through it before and we know it > will calm down. There’s no reason to beat each other up right now. We > *need* each other especially. So – take it on the chin, please. > Recognize that dealing with abusive posters has to be handled > individually and we don’t all share the same opinions on how to do > that. But we *do* all share a concern for the members of the group > and for the lupus community at large. That concern should be the > guiding and uniting force. Not how we do or don’t react to attacks. > finally, there is always, Diane’s Patented Magic Flame-Retardent > Elixir. I highly recommend reading it and considering all the aspects > of internet interaction. > http://www.firelily.com/support/recovery/flame.retardant.html > KCat – I am not a medical professional. The contents of this post are based soley on my experiences and opinions > http://www.ghg.net/schwerpt/mypage.htm > http://www.ghg.net/schwerpt/aslfaq30.htm > ("`-”-/").___..–”"`-._ > (`6_ 6 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.’`) > (_Y_.)’ ._ ) `._ `. “-..-” > _..`–’_..-_/ /–’_.’ ,’ > (()),-” (()),’ (((.-’
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When all else fails, use delete. That said, we can’t always tell when a thread will include something we don’t want to read. People can quote TH (or whoever is irking us for the day) and this means members of the group who have him killfiled (and even his "detractors") could easily stumble on some snippet of nonsense or some battle or another. Therefore, it’s impossible to completely remove the presence of any poster no matter how hard we try. therefore a couple of suggestions. If you feel you must respond (and I did, if for no other reason than to avoid getting back to my real work) then change the subject line to something appropriate rather than keeping it in the original thread. This way, people will more easily ignore or delete posts that are dealing with trolls and the like. The handful of folks who have posted recently on ASL that we have not seen before and who are trying to take up the cross, so-to-speak are not typical newbies seeking support. Therefore, despite their good intentions, it’s probably wise to killfile them, at least short-term. Or just ignore their posts. Both "sides" are right. People who don’t know what TH is all about (or similar trolls) should be warned. They should know what is going on. A simple post to the group now and then should suffice. A post sans name-calling and the like. OTOH, responding to such posts directly does encourage the behavior and further stress the group. I personally have found over the years reporting abuse to ISPs to be largely useless. At the most it might short-circuit the offender for a brief time while they get another address. I have seen a couple of abusers go through a dozen or more names before they finally got bored with trolling the group (not asl). In both cases, do what *you* have to do. If you feel better responding – do so. Just warn the rest of the group about what you are doing. If you feel you have to report them, do so. Yes, Ignoring them is the best way to reduce their activityt, even if you can’t killfile them. But that is sometimes very hard to do. Even friends are getting irritated with friends here due to the stress this particular person has brought to the group. Some are feeling defensive and misreading. We’ve been through it before and we know it will calm down. There’s no reason to beat each other up right now. We *need* each other especially. So – take it on the chin, please. Recognize that dealing with abusive posters has to be handled individually and we don’t all share the same opinions on how to do that. But we *do* all share a concern for the members of the group and for the lupus community at large. That concern should be the guiding and uniting force. Not how we do or don’t react to attacks. finally, there is always, Diane’s Patented Magic Flame-Retardent Elixir. I highly recommend reading it and considering all the aspects of internet interaction. http://www.firelily.com/support/recovery/flame.retardant.html KCat – I am not a medical professional. The contents of this post are based soley on my experiences and opinions http://www.ghg.net/schwerpt/mypage.htm http://www.ghg.net/schwerpt/aslfaq30.htm ("`-”-/").___..–”"`-._ (`6_ 6 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.’`) (_Y_.)’ ._ ) `._ `. “-..-” _..`–’_..-_/ /–’_.’ ,’ (()),-” (()),’ (((.-’
Response:
"KC" <kca…@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:hvdc7vc176674fa1pp70f6phcejjo5g1tb@4ax.com… > When all else fails, use delete. > The handful of folks who have posted recently on ASL that we have not > seen before and who are trying to take up the cross, so-to-speak are > not typical newbies seeking support. Therefore, despite their good > intentions, it’s probably wise to killfile them, at least short-term. > Or just ignore their posts.
No matter how noble their intentions, they have no right to bring their feud into ASL, . > Both "sides" are right. People who don’t know what TH is all about > (or similar trolls) should be warned. They should know what is going > on. A simple post to the group now and then should suffice. A post > sans name-calling and the like. > Yes, Ignoring them is the best way to reduce their activity, even if > you can’t killfile them. But that is sometimes very hard to do.
It’s the only way to stop them. They are the sort who google to see if their name is used so they can spew into a new forum. Those who troll support groups are the lowest of the low.
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