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There’s a long article in the current edition of New Scientist about another theory on the cause of migraine. "ALL IN THE MIND Could the agony of migraine be a particularly painful illusion? Helen Phillips explains why a controversial theory could shed light on this mysterious condition p.36" It’s not online, but as I get the mag, if anyone wants sight of it, I’ll happily scan & send as a .jpg Basically – the pain isn’t real as we migraineurs are mis-sensing the world. The bit that I disagree with is where somehow, even if a cause of migraine is our brain somehow mis-sensing the world, this makes the pain unreal. Cheers, helen s This is sent from a redundant email Mail sent to it is dumped My correct one can be gleaned from by getting rid of the overdependence on money and fame
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I LOVE it!!! So it’s all in our heads!!! Funny I have known that for 30+ years.. yikes… rosie
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I LOVE it!!! So it’s all in our heads!!! Funny I have known that for 30+ years..
Me too, I know it’s all in the head, however, I know the pain is real and not unreal! Cheers, helen s This is sent from a redundant email Mail sent to it is dumped My correct one can be gleaned from by getting rid of the overdependence on money and fame
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This is the kind of crap comments that are the reason people keep getting them with no treatment. I think the medical field when they can’t solve a problem, it becomes all in your head. Or the typical "women’s emotional problems". CRAP! — Sue — UW Mom — Rabid Dawg Fan!
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There’s a long article in the current edition of New Scientist about another theory on the cause of migraine. "ALL IN THE MIND Could the agony of migraine be a particularly painful illusion? Helen Phillips explains why a controversial theory could shed light on this mysterious condition p.36" It’s not online, but as I get the mag, if anyone wants sight of it, I’ll happily scan & send as a .jpg Basically – the pain isn’t real as we migraineurs are mis-sensing the world. The bit that I disagree with is where somehow, even if a cause of migraine is our brain somehow mis-sensing the world, this makes the pain unreal. Cheers, helen s This is sent from a redundant email Mail sent to it is dumped My correct one can be gleaned from by getting rid of the overdependence on money and fame
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Can’t you just attach it to a post, so we could all get it? Thanks.
As far as I know, attachments to a posting here are verboten. And certainly my newsgroup posting facility doesn’t allow it anyhow. Cheers, helen s This is sent from a redundant email Mail sent to it is dumped My correct one can be gleaned from by getting rid of the overdependence on money and fame
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It’s the explanation from so-called doctors and scientists of those who they cannot cure. meissners.org says… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There’s a long article in the current edition of New Scientist about another theory on the cause of migraine. "ALL IN THE MIND Could the agony of migraine be a particularly painful illusion? Helen Phillips explains why a controversial theory could shed light on this mysterious condition p.36" It’s not online, but as I get the mag, if anyone wants sight of it, I’ll happily scan & send as a .jpg Basically – the pain isn’t real as we migraineurs are mis-sensing the world. The bit that I disagree with is where somehow, even if a cause of migraine is our brain somehow mis-sensing the world, this makes the pain unreal. Isn’t the traditional thing to do is wish we could use mister baseball bat to plonk the individual saying such things and when they complain, say the pain is just in their heads.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There’s a long article in the current edition of New Scientist about another theory on the cause of migraine. "ALL IN THE MIND Could the agony of migraine be a particularly painful illusion? Helen Phillips explains why a controversial theory could shed light on this mysterious condition p.36" It’s not online, but as I get the mag, if anyone wants sight of it, I’ll happily scan & send as a .jpg Basically – the pain isn’t real as we migraineurs are mis-sensing the world. The bit that I disagree with is where somehow, even if a cause of migraine is our brain somehow mis-sensing the world, this makes the pain unreal. Isn’t the traditional thing to do is wish we could use mister baseball bat to plonk the individual saying such things and when they complain, say the pain is just in their heads.
"Nothing is real like what your feel!"—– I’ve taken this from an unpublished song written by a friend of mine (Bill Strickland for credit purposes) in the 60s, and I’m wondering where the "mind" is located (of course). After all, if "some things all in it, IT must BE somewhere (or, in some other universe). Helen probably works as a mental health insurance consultant in her day job. Doesn’t she know that all sensory organs are physical, and the brain "perceives" pain, but "receives" physical nerve impulses, not mental impulses. Once you view the mind as the subjective brain, then migraines and migraine research make sense (pardon the pun). As Feigl said, they’re like two sides of a coin. They are completely different, but totally dependent on each other’s existence. He called this the "double aspect" theory of the mind/body problem. I once worked for a year directly under Prof. Roger Sperry, who carried it one step further, simply said they’re was no difference, and this came to be called the "identitist" theory. He was famous as the first one to do split/hemiphere experiments, and was the first to split the brains of rhesus monkeys. I believe it may have been tried earlier by Ron Meyers, MD on a human with status epilepticus, in order to try and confine the seizure to one hemisphere. Sperry was a zoologist from the U. of Chicago (not a psychologist as was widely thought), and won the Nobel, not for his work with split brains, but an extremely important (and utterly simple) experiment which began the elucidating of how nerves, as they develop, in utero, find their targets. IOW, how does the nerve know where to grow towards? There was a famous Scientific American article called "The Growth of Nerve Circuits" written by Sperry. Matt- I’m not talking about the cervical spinal nerves re: clusters. To me, cranial n. 3,7,9 and 10 comprise the cranial parasympathetic outflow. I’m talking about a 7th n. gone astray as a possible cluster mechanism, and, of course, the pain is felt via the occipiatal branch of the trigeminal n. If you stimulate the SPG of a cat you get ipsilateral tearing and nasal congestion, IIRC. Post SPG (going distally), there is EXTENSIVE innvervation from the chin to the forehead, and even an occipital branch, possibly of blood vessels. That’s its only synapse. As there are hypothalamic fibres that go dirctly to the SPG, the circadian aspect if bolstered. AND, As Imitrex has putative action the 5th n., than the efficacy of Imitrex (as a 5th n. block fo to spaek), can explain this efficacy. Much of this anatomy is being worked on as we jabbar. I hope none were upset by my combining of threads, but they were all pretty old. Sorry for rabblin, Jack Ginnie- You REALLY ask good questions! For that, you have my respect. And, you’re always with me. But, to understand the current I do not get involved in the ego battles within the group, answering My reference to IEEE journals was both because they published "volumes" on this topic in their biomedical engineering jopurnal. The point I was trying to make is that the questions you ask require some esoteric knowledge (and, it’s not easy either.), but, AGAIN, neuroscientists are STRICT scientists, IMHO, many coming from a background similar to mine, and, therefore, use stastictical models developed by psychologists and mathematicians, in order to do experiments scientifically. The cutting edge of research assumes the ability of an average person with a background in THAT field to understand, and /or to be be able to trace down the original source. I can pretty much tell you that in the common area of migraine, IF YOU ARE WILLING TO DISREGARD COMMON PSYCHOLOGICAL CAUSES, Medline is all you need. Try searching for the work of Goadby and Hardebo. Unfourtunately, the problem, is that you will only get the abstract. BUT, if you are really serious, you’ll set up an account with the medical regional library closest to you, and order the full article for a snmall fee. It can take a year for me really to "digest" some of their work. I might also suggest that you consider altering my tape from BSC for aboutg $20-I make NOTHING. This is my 2 hour attempt to explain current migraing theory—as of a few years ago, to new physicians, but they were almost all health profesionsals in the audience. I KNOW of a wonderful source on migraine theory. I based much of my course on their beautiful work. It fo happens, the Merck put of for docs a COUSR on migraie, editied by Goadsby.
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Ginnie- I met "ordering", not "altering", and I need to use the spellcheck, sorry, Jack
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There’s a long article in the current edition of New Scientist about another theory on the cause of migraine. "ALL IN THE MIND Could the agony of migraine be a particularly painful illusion? Helen Phillips explains why a controversial theory could shed light on this mysterious condition p.36" It’s not online, but as I get the mag, if anyone wants sight of it, I’ll happily scan & send as a .jpg
Can’t you just attach it to a post, so we could all get it? Thanks.
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There’s a long article in the current edition of New Scientist about another theory on the cause of migraine. "ALL IN THE MIND Could the agony of migraine be a particularly painful illusion? Helen Phillips explains why a controversial theory could shed light on this mysterious condition p.36" It’s not online, but as I get the mag, if anyone wants sight of it, I’ll happily scan & send as a .jpg Basically – the pain isn’t real as we migraineurs are mis-sensing the world. The bit that I disagree with is where somehow, even if a cause of migraine is our brain somehow mis-sensing the world, this makes the pain unreal.
Isn’t the traditional thing to do is wish we could use mister baseball bat to plonk the individual saying such things and when they complain, say the pain is just in their heads. — Michael Meissner http://www.the-meissners.org
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Well, if you are a DAWG then I am SURE it is in your head <ducking but not running 
mk86coug This is the kind of crap comments that are the reason people keep getting them with no treatment. I think the medical field when they can’t solve a problem, it becomes all in your head. Or the typical "women’s emotional problems". CRAP! — Sue — UW Mom — Rabid Dawg Fan!
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Guess I need to introduce myself. I met Matt on the sci.med.transcription newsgroup and he mentioned this group (Hi Matt, thanks). I work at home and have had migraines for years. — Sue — UW Mom — Rabid Dawg Fan!
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There’s a long article in the current edition of New Scientist about another theory on the cause of migraine. "ALL IN THE MIND Could the agony of migraine be a particularly painful illusion? Helen Phillips explains why a controversial theory could shed light on this mysterious condition p.36" It’s not online, but as I get the mag, if anyone wants sight of it, I’ll happily scan & send as a .jpg Basically – the pain isn’t real as we migraineurs are mis-sensing the world. The bit that I disagree with is where somehow, even if a cause of migraine is our brain somehow mis-sensing the world, this makes the pain unreal. Cheers, helen s This is sent from a redundant email Mail sent to it is dumped My correct one can be gleaned from by getting rid of the overdependence on money and fame
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The value in any theory is if it can be used to provide an effective treatment. Assuming this is true, then what can we do to change how our brain perceives pain, so we don’t end up in whithering agony? If it can answer this question for even a few of us, then great! Otherwise, it’s just useless and can be safely discarded. The notion that migraines are psychodynamic or just imaginary is clearly misguided. BTW, anti-psychotics have been demonstrated to change the perception of pain because they alter the dopamine receptors. Erik – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There’s a long article in the current edition of New Scientist about another theory on the cause of migraine. "ALL IN THE MIND Could the agony of migraine be a particularly painful illusion? Helen Phillips explains why a controversial theory could shed light on this mysterious condition p.36" It’s not online, but as I get the mag, if anyone wants sight of it, I’ll happily scan & send as a .jpg Basically – the pain isn’t real as we migraineurs are mis-sensing the world. The bit that I disagree with is where somehow, even if a cause of migraine is our brain somehow mis-sensing the world, this makes the pain unreal. Cheers, helen s This is sent from a redundant email Mail sent to it is dumped My correct one can be gleaned from by getting rid of the overdependence on money and fame
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Oh, no a coug! On the medical transcription site we have a DUCK! Can you imagine how stressful that is? BTW, my best friend and courier for my work is a Cougar. We used to have apple cup rallies at our house ever Wednesday before the game (my son was in the Husky Band and brought down band members) Front table was decorated half husky/half coug with tons of coug/husky jokes all over the house! It was always a blast (we have a fun rivalry). Whenever my son would answer the phone she would start the WAZZU fight song! We do have fun! Looks like your ex-coach and ours are giving our state a pretty bad rep! My friend has lupus and thus has a placard to hand in the window. She also has coug plates – I asked her why she needed the plaque when she had the plates! <VBG:) — Sue — UW Mom — Rabid Dawg Fan! Well, if you are a DAWG then I am SURE it is in your head <ducking but not running mk86coug This is the kind of crap comments that are the reason people keep getting them with no treatment. I think the medical field when they can’t solve a problem, it becomes all in your head. Or the typical "women’s emotional problems". CRAP! — Sue — UW Mom — Rabid Dawg Fan!
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TOP POST I liked the old science better. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – There’s a long article in the current edition of New Scientist about another theory on the cause of migraine. "ALL IN THE MIND Could the agony of migraine be a particularly painful illusion? Helen Phillips explains why a controversial theory could shed light on this mysterious condition p.36" It’s not online, but as I get the mag, if anyone wants sight of it, I’ll happily scan & send as a .jpg Basically – the pain isn’t real as we migraineurs are mis-sensing the world. The bit that I disagree with is where somehow, even if a cause of migraine is our brain somehow mis-sensing the world, this makes the pain unreal. Cheers, helen s This is sent from a redundant email Mail sent to it is dumped My correct one can be gleaned from by getting rid of the overdependence on money and fame
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