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Ok here I am again, *sigh* I am the one that fell and got bruies all over my left leg Oct 9  Well it is Dec 3 now , and this is how I am doing……..    now, first there was the bruies then came the red burning rash after that it goes back to the bruise…..go figure !!!!! The doc gave me some steroid cream I use it for about a month.  Now I have a red circle around each injury I got on my leg ((((((((what is that all about)))))) plus inside the injury area it’s kind of white the rest of my leg looks dirty ! Can anyone give me some information is it healing or getting worse ????  The Janester

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<<Now I have a red circle around each injury I got on my leg ((((((((what is that all about)))))) plus inside the injury area it’s kind of white the rest of my leg looks dirty !>> There is a lupus rash that looks like what you’ve described.  Another thing it sounds like is erythema multiforme.  Either way you might want to take some pictures of those rashes and get a doctor to take a look at them.  My daughter has had erythema multiforme before.  Her doctor said that in her case it was an autoimmune response to an allergic reaction she was having to a medication.   My daughter has also had markings on her skin that caused it to look "dirty."   Prednisone can certainly cause it.  When this is the case it will slowly go away as the Prednisone is tapered.  Those kind of markings also can occur with dermatomyositis, which does sometimes accompany lupus.   Sandra

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I not sure how to say this but first thing  call your dr. I do this and it is an infection . Where our bodys attacks itself that is what they told me I was doing over attacking. So  therefore you might need a atibiotic to stop it. I always end  up taking some when this happens . r     Kristi  

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 The injury started in October when I fell.  Right now where I had the black &blue the marks are lookin’ alittle better but, there is still a ring around each injury and it is really light inside the ring.  I go to the doc again next Monday  How long did the ring on your skin stay????? Thank you for your reply *Kristi*  The Janester

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Are you sure their isn’t a little infection going on? mary/az – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -SCroyle909 wrote: > <<Now I have a red circle around each injury I got on my leg ((((((((what is > that all about)))))) plus inside the injury area it’s kind of white the rest of > my leg looks dirty !>> > There is a lupus rash that looks like what you’ve described.  Another thing it > sounds like is erythema multiforme.  Either way you might want to take some > pictures of those rashes and get a doctor to take a look at them.  My daughter > has had erythema multiforme before.  Her doctor said that in her case it was an > autoimmune response to an allergic reaction she was having to a medication. > My daughter has also had markings on her skin that caused it to look "dirty." > Prednisone can certainly cause it.  When this is the case it will slowly go > away as the Prednisone is tapered.  Those kind of markings also can occur with > dermatomyositis, which does sometimes accompany lupus. > Sandra

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Thanks for your replies!  I will post when I get the results next week.  I feel blessed not to have more serious symptoms like organ involvment.   Hugs, Susan

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Do please keep us updated, Susan.  I don’t know what to wish for… I guess an answer is the best bet? On 05 Oct 2000 21:54:10 GMT, you wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Hello everyone! >I’ve been lurking and not posting for a while, been busy with new job duties. >I had a biopsy on a rash this morning and the Derm. said that she is fairly >sure that it’s Lupus or Vasculitis related.  She has only seen this kind of a >rash in Lupus and Vasculitis.  I have to wait 5 days to find out for sure, she >is sending it to the Mayo.  I am hoping that this skin sample holds the answer >to the mystery, it’s been a long wait!!!!! >I had to share as I am dying with antisipation. >Hugs, >Susan

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I’m glad to hear that your biopsy sample is going to Mayo.  I have it on pretty good authority that they have one of the best labs in the country.   Sandra

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Susan~~~I hope that the time period between your biopsy and the time you get the results is reasonable, and your anxiety ends on a positive note. I’ll be watching for your post—sending good vibes your way–Kim In article <pl9qtscgkhdiik82hbq7lq6epomuifm…@4ax.com>,   KCat <kcdoc…@ghg.net> wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Do please keep us updated, Susan.  I don’t know what to wish for… > I guess an answer is the best bet? > On 05 Oct 2000 21:54:10 GMT, you wrote: > >Hello everyone! > >I’ve been lurking and not posting for a while, been busy with new job duties. > >I had a biopsy on a rash this morning and the Derm. said that she is fairly > >sure that it’s Lupus or Vasculitis related.  She has only seen this kind of a > >rash in Lupus and Vasculitis.  I have to wait 5 days to find out for sure, she > >is sending it to the Mayo.  I am hoping that this skin sample holds the answer > >to the mystery, it’s been a long wait!!!!! > >I had to share as I am dying with antisipation. > >Hugs, > >Susan

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Hello everyone! I’ve been lurking and not posting for a while, been busy with new job duties. I had a biopsy on a rash this morning and the Derm. said that she is fairly sure that it’s Lupus or Vasculitis related.  She has only seen this kind of a rash in Lupus and Vasculitis.  I have to wait 5 days to find out for sure, she is sending it to the Mayo.  I am hoping that this skin sample holds the answer to the mystery, it’s been a long wait!!!!! I had to share as I am dying with antisipation. Hugs, Susan

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Thanks! Lots more websites to check out! Dan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Dunk wrote: > Hi Dan, > http://www.dermis.net/bilddb/diagnose/englisch/i710030.htm > http://www.adam.com/imagepage/2507.htm?topic=TOP000000000000000000000… > 5 > http://gohamptonroads.adam.com/ency/article/000435trt.htm > http://www.natmedpro.com/nmp/SLE.htm > I hope these have what you are looking for. > Duncan > "XF-11" <Dan.G.How…@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message > news:396FE6F2.3253182C@worldnet.att.net… > > Hi > > I was wondering if anyone has any pics of butterfly rashes anywhere > > on the Net so I can compare them to the one I have. > > Dan

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Mine doesn’t itch, but I *can* feel it ‘burning’, if that makes any sense.  No one at work knows I have Lupus, and sometimes I get irritated when they ask "are you embarrassed?  Your face is all red….."

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Oriole Adams wrote: > Mine doesn’t itch, but I *can* feel it ‘burning’, if that makes any sense.  No > one at work knows I have Lupus, and sometimes I get irritated when they ask > "are you embarrassed?  Your face is all red….."

I guess mine kind of has a burning effect too. I feel like I need to scratch it though to make it stop. Everytime my mom sees me she says "Oh gosh you have a rash on your face". Like duh, I think she has seen it five hundred times.. :)

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<<I was just kind of wondering since my doc thinks my arthritis and face rash are coming from my gut problems. But I think it is strange that the rash on my face definitely looks like it is a butterfly shape! So he is sending me to a gut doctor instead of a rheumatologist…>> There’s absolutely no reason he can’t send you to both.  If he won’t then you might try asking the GI specialist for a referral to a rheumatologist. Sandra

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SCroyle909 wrote: > <<I was just kind of wondering since my doc thinks my arthritis and face rash > are coming from my gut problems. But I think it is strange that the rash on my > face definitely looks like it is a butterfly shape! So he is sending me to a > gut doctor instead of a rheumatologist…>> > There’s absolutely no reason he can’t send you to both.  If he won’t then you > might try asking the GI specialist for a referral to a rheumatologist. > Sandra

I have a feeling this is the way it will work. First the GI, then the rheumatologist. I see the GI in about 3 weeks. Waiting is the hardest part. But that is ok… Dan

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>Everytime my mom sees me she says "Oh gosh you have a rash on your face". Like

duh, I think she has seen it five hundred times..   :) I have to laugh!  Way back when I first had symptoms, but no clue, I had the rash and a large mark on my face – not quite acne but it looked wicked.  I just got used to it, that’s all.  One day I was interviewed for a local news station and was soooo excited, because they ran the entire interview.  The next day (feeling oh so puffed up), I asked my dad if he had seen me talk about this important issue.  He said, "Yeah.  What was that thing on your face?"  lol to our health a smiling kelly

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MADKELLY wrote: > >Everytime my mom sees me she says "Oh gosh you have a rash on your face". Like > duh, I think she has seen it five hundred times..   :) > I have to laugh!  Way back when I first had symptoms, but no clue, I had the > rash and a large mark on my face – not quite acne but it looked wicked.  I just > got used to it, that’s all.  One day I was interviewed for a local news station > and was soooo excited, because they ran the entire interview.  The next day > (feeling oh so puffed up), I asked my dad if he had seen me talk about this > important issue.  He said, "Yeah.  What was that thing on your face?"  lol > to our health > a smiling kelly

Parents can be funny sometimes. Like they might be oblivious or something when it comes to us kids. And other times they are the opposite! Dan

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Hi I was wondering if anyone has any pics of butterfly rashes anywhere on the Net so I can compare them to the one I have. Dan

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In article <396FE6F2.32531…@worldnet.att.net>, XF-11 <Dan.G.How.55@wor ldnet.att.net> writes >Hi >I was wondering if anyone has any pics of butterfly rashes anywhere >on the Net so I can compare them to the one I have.

From the Group’s FAQ: DERMATOLOGY INFORMATION (for each the description is AFTER the reference) http://www.derm.ubc.ca//skintherapy/stl0205.html#Sunscreens —-Sunscreen Chart http://dermis.net/index_e.htm" —-(photos – a good site for comparing "classic" dermatological appearance of rashes, vasculitis, etc.) http://tray.dermatology.uiowa.edu/DermImag.htm" —-Dermatology Images; Univ. of Iowa (Good image database) http://www.sime.com/intermed/derma.htm" —-Dermatologie http://www1.protec.it/atlas/menu.htm#lupus" —-On-line ATLAS — Andy For Austrian philately <URL: http://www.kitzbuhel.demon.co.uk/austamps/> For Lupus <URL: http://www.kitzbuhel.demon.co.uk/lupus/> For my other interests <URL: http://www.kitzbuhel.demon.co.uk/>

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Hi Dan, http://www.dermis.net/bilddb/diagnose/englisch/i710030.htm http://www.adam.com/imagepage/2507.htm?topic=TOP000000000000000000000… 5 http://gohamptonroads.adam.com/ency/article/000435trt.htm http://www.natmedpro.com/nmp/SLE.htm I hope these have what you are looking for. Duncan "XF-11" <Dan.G.How…@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message

news:396FE6F2.3253182C@worldnet.att.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi > I was wondering if anyone has any pics of butterfly rashes anywhere > on the Net so I can compare them to the one I have. > Dan

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Dan, you really don’t need a pix to compare your rash with another. A butterfly rash is as follows: The cheeks of your face are red, { representing the butterfly wings } and the bridge of your nose is red, { representing the butterfly body }. Some rashes are more prominent than others depending on the persons complexion.If you are just curious…..good luck !!  Bernice Be a good Samaritan                                   http://community.webtv.net/samaritan64/BernicesWebPage

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Funny thing I always thought that was my natural color. Remember in the ’60’s when it was cool to be paste white. Not me will those pink cheeks and nose and ruby red lips! My father had that coloring. He was fair with blonde hair, very blue-gray eyes and pink cheeks and nose.  When he was younger I thought it was from being in the sun so much – as he grew older and retired I figured it was from his drinking. Who knows! I guess it’s just my butterfly and sometimes it is more predominate than others. Doesn’t itch or anything; it’s just there, a healthy pink glow. (Ha-ha!) Bev – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -XF-11 wrote in message <396FE6F2.32531…@worldnet.att.net>… >Hi >I was wondering if anyone has any pics of butterfly rashes anywhere >on the Net so I can compare them to the one I have. >Dan

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I was just kind of wondering since my doc thinks my arthritis and face rash are coming from my gut problems. But I think it is strange that the rash on my face definitely looks like it is a butterfly shape! So he is sending me to a gut doctor instead of a rheumatologist… Dan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Bernice wrote: > Dan, you really don’t need a pix to compare your rash with another. A > butterfly rash is as follows: The cheeks of your face are red, { > representing the butterfly wings } and the bridge of your nose is red, { > representing the butterfly body }. Some rashes are more prominent than > others depending on the persons complexion.If you are just > curious…..good luck !!  Bernice > Be a good Samaritan > http://community.webtv.net/samaritan64/BernicesWebPage

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Well you are lucky it doesn’t itch. Mine does and sometimes I think I am going to scratch part of my darn face off! It peels like I have gotten a sunburn, which I haven’t. I thought in the ’60’s it was cool to have a tan. No, that must of been in the ’70’s. I bet the ruby red lips did you good. Didn’t have to wear any lipstick! I guess a healthy pink glow is something that is OK. Better than looking like a ghost or something! Dan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Beverley wrote: > Funny thing I always thought that was my natural color. Remember in the > ’60’s when it was cool to be paste white. Not me will those pink cheeks and > nose and ruby red lips! > My father had that coloring. He was fair with blonde hair, very blue-gray > eyes and pink cheeks and nose.  When he was younger I thought it was from > being in the sun so much – as he grew older and retired I figured it was > from his drinking. Who knows! I guess it’s just my butterfly and sometimes > it is more predominate than others. Doesn’t itch or anything; it’s just > there, a healthy pink glow. (Ha-ha!) > Bev > XF-11 wrote in message <396FE6F2.32531…@worldnet.att.net>… > >Hi > >I was wondering if anyone has any pics of butterfly rashes anywhere > >on the Net so I can compare them to the one I have. > >Dan

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Thanks! Lots of websites to check out! Dan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Andy wrote: > In article <396FE6F2.32531…@worldnet.att.net>, XF-11 <Dan.G.How.55@wor > ldnet.att.net> writes > >Hi > >I was wondering if anyone has any pics of butterfly rashes anywhere > >on the Net so I can compare them to the one I have. > From the Group’s FAQ: > DERMATOLOGY INFORMATION > (for each the description is AFTER the reference) > http://www.derm.ubc.ca//skintherapy/stl0205.html#Sunscreens > —-Sunscreen Chart > http://dermis.net/index_e.htm" > —-(photos – a good site for comparing "classic" dermatological > appearance of rashes, vasculitis, etc.) > http://tray.dermatology.uiowa.edu/DermImag.htm" > —-Dermatology Images; Univ. of Iowa (Good image database) > http://www.sime.com/intermed/derma.htm" > —-Dermatologie > http://www1.protec.it/atlas/menu.htm#lupus" > —-On-line ATLAS > — > Andy > For Austrian philately <URL: http://www.kitzbuhel.demon.co.uk/austamps/> > For Lupus <URL: http://www.kitzbuhel.demon.co.uk/lupus/> > For my other interests <URL: http://www.kitzbuhel.demon.co.uk/>

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Hi. I’m just waiting on the results of an ANA test now (actually I got too impatient and asked the Dr to call me with the reults instead of waiting until next week  to see him) I asked for the test because about 8 months after starting on a medication (which I found out earlier this week *can* cause discoid lupus in 5% of patients) I had a rash show up It is usually brown or light red unless I am stressed or hot, (or in the sun) Then it gets bright red. It doesn’t go away with ANYTHING (creams) My first question is, Where does the rash show up?? Mine is on the shoulders and occasionally on my lower arms, on the back of my neck, occasionally on my throat, and down my chest. I had 4 drs look at it 3 couldn’t identify it at all and the 4th dismissed it as "sun sensitivity" my second question is.. Can an ANA test be negative?? Crystal A. Vance

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Hi Crystal.  Theoretically the rash can appear anywhere – it is more common where the skin is exposed to the sun or other UV source but this really ins’t a requirement.   Unfortunately, many docs will tell you this is "sun sensitivity" without explaining the causes of such sensitivity.  It can be an allergic type response or it can be autoimmune such as with lupus. Other autoimmune diseases can trigger a similar rash (dermatomyositis for example).   Yes, an ANA test can be negative.  Rather than try to explain all that here I recommend you check out the alt.support.lupus FAQ at the website below.  If you look through the Table of Contents you will see sections dealing with this precise question.  It’s more than just a yes or no. HTH, KCat http://www.ghg.net/schwerpt/aslfaq20.htm On Fri, 19 May 2000 19:23:16 GMT, Crystal Vance – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<cva…@telusplanet.net> wrote: >Hi. I’m just waiting on the results of an ANA test now (actually I got >too impatient and asked the Dr to call me with the reults instead of >waiting until next week  to see him) I asked for the test because about >8 months after starting on a medication (which I found out earlier this >week *can* cause discoid lupus in 5% of patients) I had a rash show up >It is usually brown or light red unless I am stressed or hot, (or in the >sun) Then it gets bright red. It doesn’t go away with ANYTHING (creams) >My first question is, Where does the rash show up?? Mine is on the >shoulders and occasionally on my lower arms, on the back of my neck, >occasionally on my throat, and down my chest. I had 4 drs look at it 3 >couldn’t identify it at all and the 4th dismissed it as "sun >sensitivity" >my second question is.. Can an ANA test be negative?? >Crystal A. Vance

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It’s my understanding that with discoid lupus all blood tests can come back negative including the ANA.  It can be diagnosed, however, via a biopsy of the rash.   BTW, what medication is it that can cause discoid lupus?  Are you perhaps referring to drug induced lupus?  If so, this generally goes away once the medication is stopped. Sandra

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SCroyle909 wrote: > It’s my understanding that with discoid lupus all blood tests can come back > negative including the ANA.  It can be diagnosed, however, via a biopsy of the > rash.

Okay, I"ll have them check that if the ANA is negative, He never got back to me today. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> BTW, what medication is it that can cause discoid lupus?  Are you perhaps > referring to drug induced lupus?  If so, this generally goes away once the > medication is stopped. > The Medication is Epival, and according to Medscape it is specifically discoid > lupus not drug induced lupus. > Crystal

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SCroyle909 wrote: > Thanks for the link.  I’d assume though that the discoid lupus caused by > valproic acid is still a type of drug induced lupus.  This type of lupus > generally goes away once the medication is stopped. > Sandra

I assume so as well.. so I’m still holding on to the hope that It will go away a few months after I’m off the medication (I can’t come off it all at once) I’d look for more information on Drug induced lupus but every time I do It just looks for the word "lupus" and ignores "drug induced" Crystal

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Alison wrote: >Does anyone have problems with purpura rashes – usually on the legs?  I have >Lupus, Sjogren’s Syndrome and hyperglobulinemic purpura and I haven’t been

able to find out much about the >purpura rash.  I just started on Prednisone >and my rash seems to have gotten worse. > It is painful and swollen.

Hi Alison, When my platelets were very low with thrombocytopenia I had purpura on my legs and arms.  Every time I shaved I had blood coming out of the tiny bumps and I’d have to wrap my legs in towels to stop the bleeding, which was bad because my platelets were so low, so I had to stop shaving for a while <ugh>. Now I have livedo reticularis on my legs and arms, but much more noticeable on my legs.  If you don’t know what that looks like, it has a red mottled appearance with a lace-like pattern.  On my legs it is dark purple and in the summer when I wear shorts I get asked a *lot* what is wrong with my legs. Have you tried a cortisone cream on your rash?  I know you’re taking prednisone and getting cortisone *internally* that way, but maybe a cream you apply topically would help.  You can get a hydrocortisone cream over the counter or ask your doc to prescribe one for you.  Elocon was a prescription steroid cream that always worked well for me. Hope you find some relief soon, and when you do let us know. Karena ke…@aol.com

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Does anyone have problems with purpura rashes – usually on the legs?  I have Lupus, Sjogren’s Syndrome and hyperglobulinemic purpura and I haven’t been able to find out much about the purpura rash.  I just started on Prednisone and my rash seems to have gotten worse.  It is painful and swollen. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Alison in Ohio

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Thanks Donna for peeking at them for me.  I just looked myself and don’t see anything like that but I am still interested in what he has to say. So next time you are in, pump him for more info. Caroline – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Caroline, I don’t have another appointment as yet.  He or his PA will call in about  a week to give me lab reports and then we can plan from there.  It is over a two hour drive one way for me to see him.  Since I’m on oxygen for my pulmonary hypertension and heart failure, I’m as bad as a baby to take somewhere!  Anyway, he said he wouldn’t make me come back for just lab results. I will get an explanation as to exactly what he was talking about and you are right – someone needs to get it documented for the sake of others since so many things are focusing on genetics.  I did make a discovery today though . . . on the bottom of the heel on that foot it almost looks like a bruise in the center of the heel and then throughout the rest of the heal there are brighter, smaller looking bruised areas maybe the size of a pencil eraser.  Only a guess if this is what he was talking about.  I hadn’t examined my heels so closely before! Donna Rae

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Very interesting.  When do you see this man again?  Do you think you could get him to post that info here?  A doctor with visual who-done-its under his belt is worth his weight in gold. LOL  This Navajo rash may not exist in writings but only in the memories of those that treat the Indian. It would be nice to get the information down in writing for others to see. I have a pair of Naots clogs which I wear on and off in the winter. There is no strap at the back but the angle of the heel is a bit odd and the other day I wore them without socks and developed a nickel size blister on the ball of each foot. I am still looking for the perfect shoe. Caroline – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Caroline, Yes, you have the right site.  It’s just below the ankle bone.

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Caroline, I don’t have another appointment as yet.  He or his PA will call in about  a week to give me lab reports and then we can plan from there.  It is over a two hour drive one way for me to see him.  Since I’m on oxygen for my pulmonary hypertension and heart failure, I’m as bad as a baby to take somewhere!  Anyway, he said he wouldn’t make me come back for just lab results. I will get an explanation as to exactly what he was talking about and you are right – someone needs to get it documented for the sake of others since so many things are focusing on genetics.  I did make a discovery today though . . . on the bottom of the heel on that foot it almost looks like a bruise in the center of the heel and then throughout the rest of the heal there are brighter, smaller looking bruised areas maybe the size of a pencil eraser.  Only a guess if this is what he was talking about.  I hadn’t examined my heels so closely before! Donna Rae – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Very interesting.  When do you see this man again?  Do you think you could get him to post that info here?  A doctor with visual who-done-its under his belt is worth his weight in gold. LOL  This Navajo rash may not exist in writings but only in the memories of those that treat the Indian. It would be nice to get the information down in writing for others to see. Caroline

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Caroline, Yes, you have the right site.  It’s just below the ankle bone.  My swelling going from the front of the ankle bone to the back of the heel and around to the back.  Having shoes on is a killer and sandals the most comfortable, but they are still agony to remove since it is swelling above and below where the strap hits.  I have a pair of Naots (similar to Birkies) but they just don’t get it for me. I don’t have arch pain at all, but I have worn orthotics for years.  Might also be worth mentioning that I do have large heel spurs, but I am being told by neurologist and rheumy that has nothing to do with this other pain. Actually, it is rare that I have pain in the bottom of the heel except for the searing, burning type of pain when nonweight bearing. My pain initially started in the lateral lower leg and that was of a searing nature and still is.  From there it went to the left foot and eventually the right.  The right foot and lower leg is where I have numbness and tingling.  There is nothing that goes up the back of the leg at all. My searches for Navajo rash have been fruitless and apparently it was something the rheumy had seen by treating a lot of Indians in the four corners region.  How they ever tracked it down to a gene, he didn’t explain. Your comment about stirrup pants rings true for me, too, to an extent.  The stirrup wouldn’t fall right on the bottom of the heel but between the arch and the heel. A neurologist had ruled out peripheral neuropathy which I had been under care for that for at least a year and a half.  My cardiologist is adamant that I have peripheral neuropathy and then the rheumy said the other day that one of the diagnoses he threw out (lupus or AS) actually causes a different form of peripheral neuropathy.  He said he wanted to keep me on the Neurontin for the pain.  I have found that to be tremendously helpful with the pain.  Right now I am on 500 mg. at bedtime and 300 mg. in the mornings.  I am due to increase another 100 mg. at bedtime now.  Warning though, Neurontin does make you so groggy it’s that "fall in your soup with your face" type of sleepiness.  It takes right at two hours for that to hit me with the bedtime dose. Other interesting thing was that I have had chronic urticaria since age 17 (now 51 – wow, where did all those years go???

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<<Oh yes, the itching is BAD!!  My rash is cyclical…every two weeks, like clockwork,  despite my best precautions.  >> The itching and rashes have been very problematic for my son ( age 10) as well.  He doesn’t currently have a diagnosis for lupus, but he’s going in the hospital for a biopsy in a week and this is one of the things they will be looking for.   It’s kind of ironic ending up with two unrelated (adopted) kids both with autoimmune disorders.  We’re very sure my son’s condition is autoimmune related, BTW, we’re just not sure it’s lupus.  If it is though, then it’s most likely discoid type.  Right now he has several rashes on his face which he complains about all the time.  His glasses resting on his face aggravate them enormously to the point he’s started leaving them off.  He also gets rashes in general all over, as well as a general itchiness.  Wish there was something I could do to help him feel better.  Any suggestions? Sandra

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Sandra, Has he tried Atarax already?   That’s been a godsend for me where my rashes are concerned….(better than prednisone, etc.) Mandy SCroyle909 <scroyle…@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20000503233854.05646.00001184@ng-co1.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> <<Oh yes, the itching is BAD!!  My rash is cyclical…every two weeks, like > clockwork,  despite my best precautions.  >> > The itching and rashes have been very problematic for my son ( age 10) as well. >  He doesn’t currently have a diagnosis for lupus, but he’s going in the > hospital for a biopsy in a week and this is one of the things they will be > looking for. > It’s kind of ironic ending up with two unrelated (adopted) kids both with > autoimmune disorders.  We’re very sure my son’s condition is autoimmune > related, BTW, we’re just not sure it’s lupus.  If it is though, then it’s most > likely discoid type.  Right now he has several rashes on his face which he > complains about all the time.  His glasses resting on his face aggravate them > enormously to the point he’s started leaving them off.  He also gets rashes in > general all over, as well as a general itchiness.  Wish there was something I > could do to help him feel better.  Any suggestions? > Sandra

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<<Has he tried Atarax already?   That’s been a godsend for me where my rashes are concerned….(better than prednisone, etc.)>> As a matter of fact, that’s generally what we use when his rashes get too itchy.  It’s no cure, but it does seem to help a little sometimes. Sandra

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Hydroxy, I think I spelled it wrong? Anyway, it’s for itching… You have to get a script for it from your doctor… mary/az

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face  puffy   pink cheeck  sun  senisitive  get  flacky skin  loosing hair ( rash  red  raw  then  turn  dry  till  dried  up)   face  puffy every day  pink  for a yr   anyone else

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Yes, I have this as well. :( — Zinn/zSs **Home Page** http://67993700.home.icq.com/PandorasChemicalBox.html "Donna Miller" <TRIPP…@webtv.net> wrote in message

news:24280-390A5C34-14@storefull-132.iap.bryant.webtv.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> face  puffy   pink cheeck  sun  senisitive  get  flacky skin  loosing > hair ( rash  red  raw  then  turn  dry  till  dried  up)   face  puffy > every day  pink  for a yr   anyone else

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>ace  puffy   pink cheeck  sun  senisitive  get  flacky skin  loosing >hair ( rash  red  raw  then  turn  dry  till  dried  up)   face  puffy >every day  pink  for a yr   anyone else

Yes :o ( I cant go sleeveless in summer, swimming is out I feel hideous at times. my spots sigh I hate it. nothing seems to help. creams, shampoos, prednisone, diflucan, nizoril, tried & well after all these years gave up. mookeysmom/Tina To see my mookey & baby keisha click links: 1.)  http://www.geocities.com/mookeysmom866/index.html 2.)  http://www.geocities.com/mookeysmom866/newerpics.html

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Donna     I experienced that problem almost everyday when I lived in Florida. Sunblock (SPF 45 or higher), limiting sun exposure and plaquenil helped. Cover yourself up when you go out in the sun, and try to do chores when the sun goes down. It’s a nuisance but, I hope it helps. Shari Raleigh, NC Donna Miller <TRIPP…@webtv.net> wrote in message

news:24280-390A5C34-14@storefull-132.iap.bryant.webtv.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> face  puffy   pink cheeck  sun  senisitive  get  flacky skin  loosing > hair ( rash  red  raw  then  turn  dry  till  dried  up)   face  puffy > every day  pink  for a yr   anyone else

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yep, yep , and yep. I have become a "vampire". LOL I work in the garden or piddle in the yard in the late evening. Even though I wear lots of sunblock and longsleeved shirts, the rash still comes.  And the ITCHING!!! Has anyone found anything that takes care of the itching? Someone suggested  the use of coaltar soaps. Has anyone tried using this? ( just thinking about the rash makes me itch LOL) barbtoo

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Oh yes, the itching is BAD!!  My rash is cyclical…every two weeks, like clockwork,  despite my best precautions.  My husband bought me a back-scratcher!  The best skin lotion (and I have tried dozens) for me is Sarnol.  It is an "over the counter" lotion. Like many of the others I’ve tried, it is a temporary respite from scratching your skin raw, and it is not cheap, but when you are that itchy, you’ll try most anything! I am curious to know if you are taking medications for your lupus? Linda in NY <bwpe…@mindspring.com> wrote in message

news:8epr5u$v98$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net… > yep, yep , and yep. > I have become a "vampire". LOL > I work in the garden or piddle in the yard in the late evening. > Even though I wear lots of sunblock and longsleeved shirts, the rash > still comes. >  And the ITCHING!!! Has anyone found anything that takes care of the > itching? > Someone suggested  the use of coaltar soaps. Has anyone tried using > this? > ( just thinking about the rash makes me itch LOL) > barbtoo

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Hi Pam & Peggy: I was dx with discoid lupus 2 years ago. I am sure I had it longer than 2 years cause I kept getting the rash over my face,scalp, chest and back for a few years before that but none of my doctors ever did a biopsy to see what it was. I was the one who finally demanded a skin test. It came back discoid lupus. What I find that helps is always wearing a hat and sunglasses, sunscreen if your going to be in direct sunlight. Long sleeve shirts if you can tolerate them, sometimes gets way to hot here for them. I try to stay inside but love to plant flowers and stuff so I limit how much time I’m outside and sometimes just wait till the sun goes down before going out. It’s a bummer, I know!  As for make-up I use a cover girl stick matching closes to my skin color, which is very pale looking. They have make-up with sun screen in it. Hope this helps! Mary/az

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>As for >make-up I use a cover girl stick matching closes to my skin >color, which is very pale looking. They have make-up with >sun screen in it. Hope this helps!

I try to use a foundation with a beige base to hide the rash across my nose and cheeks.  People always think I have a fever and keep asking if I’m ok.  If I use the beige base makeup I look almost like mysefl again. Sharon Check out my photos at www.easyfoto.com/gallery.fcgi?fotograffa   Thanks!!

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Mary. This is a different subject.  Can you post that story about bubbles? The one I had I gave to someone I knew I wouldn’t be seeing. And I’ve been in the hospital since the 19th.  I really would appreciate it and so do the people who get a little laugh. Thanks Meleia – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Mary Speiser wrote: > Hi Pam & Peggy: > I was dx with discoid lupus 2 years ago. I am sure I had it > longer than 2 years cause I kept getting the rash over my > face,scalp, chest and back for a few years before that but > none of my doctors ever did a biopsy to see what it was. I > was the one who finally demanded a skin test. It came back > discoid lupus. What I find that helps is always wearing a > hat and sunglasses, sunscreen if your going to be in direct > sunlight. Long sleeve shirts if you can tolerate them, > sometimes gets way to hot here for them. I try to stay > inside but love to plant flowers and stuff so I limit how > much time I’m outside and sometimes just wait till the sun > goes down before going out. It’s a bummer, I know!  As for > make-up I use a cover girl stick matching closes to my skin > color, which is very pale looking. They have make-up with > sun screen in it. Hope this helps! > Mary/az

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Chris Francis <chris.pam.fran…@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message

news:86257s$k0l$1@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net… > Hello group! >                     (I am writing this e-mail for my mother who has discoid > lupus) > Has anyone been diagnosed with discoid lupus?  If so, are you able to locate > any sunscreen or makeup that works.  In order to stay away from the sun, and > some lights, I’ve become an almost absolute shut in. > If you have any ideas or success stories, I would greatly appreciate it! > Pam & Peggy

Hello I use Revlon Colour Stay make up.  As well as giving good coverage it has a good sunscreen so it protects as well.  I am 34 and had Lupus for 3 years. I am very sun sensitive although before diagnosis I always had a great tan and I used tan beds.  These are out the question now, although I do risk it twice a year on holiday I do sunbathe but I use ROC Total sunblock, this is very good.  The sun never shines in Scond anyway. Best regards Liz – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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When you all speak of the rash, can you describe exactly what it looks/feels like??? Thanks, Theresa in CT

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>When you all speak of the rash, can you describe exactly what it looks/feels >lik

Mine is on my face and looks like a butterfly across my face….the wings would be on my cheeks…the body is my nose.  It’s also on my chin too.  It’s a perfect butterfly.  That’s mine anyway. Sharon Check out my photos at www.easyfoto.com/gallery.fcgi?fotograffa   Thanks!!

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My rash is localized to my arm(s).  Mostly my left upper arm and never on my forearms.  It starts like a small round patch that looks like ringworm.  Then it gets bigger (mine is 3" across right now) but fading.  Mine is also soft and slightly raised and leaves no scars.  I’ve had this for almost 4 years now and am on 400 mg plaquinal.   Cindy

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Hello group!                     (I am writing this e-mail for my mother who has discoid lupus) Has anyone been diagnosed with discoid lupus?  If so, are you able to locate any sunscreen or makeup that works.  In order to stay away from the sun, and some lights, I’ve become an almost absolute shut in. If you have any ideas or success stories, I would greatly appreciate it! Pam & Peggy

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Bob,  I’ve been dx with Crest and the severe itching and rashes  i’m told is part of the disease. I know I’ve had this horrible itching and rash on my forearms for about 10 years on and off. I have tried every anti-itching cream on the markeet nothing has ever really worked for me. The itching can be so severe that it will keep me up at night. I understand that prednisone does help but I can’t take it.        Hope you can find relief soon.                                                                                      Janis

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Last summer, I developed a rash, accompanied by severe itching. No matter what I did or put on it, it would not go away. I attributed it to poison ivy or oak, but it seems that I saw reference to the same by those who have SD or CREST. Is there anything to this? Bob – alle…@tiac.net ICQ 6418621

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I developed a bad rash from stomach to head this year. Once I went off the Predisone for awhile it has not come back when I go out in the sun. Sometimes people who have Lupus get rashes. I was checked for Lupus because my mom has it.  Negative. Mine didnt itch though, it just looked like I had the measles. Benedryl helped me both internally and externally. Call you doctor or check out your meds on the net and see if any of them cause photosensitivity. Love and Hugs Colleen – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Robert DeSavage wrote: > Last summer, I developed a rash, accompanied by severe itching. No > matter what I did or put on it, it would not go away. I attributed it > to poison ivy or oak, but it seems that I saw reference to the same by > those who have SD or CREST. Is there anything to this? > Bob > – > alle…@tiac.net > ICQ 6418621

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In article <19990428222238.28307.00000…@ng-fr1.aol.com>,   metro…@aol.com (Metronym) wrote: > When I met  Dana Lovvorn who wrote the > book, "Scleroderma:  Surviving A Seventeen-Year Itch" (lovely lady and an > excellent book, by the way), I told her how, when first diagnosed I had come > upon her book title and thought to myself, "Oh, goodie, I only have another 15 > years!"  We both got a big laugh out of that!

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I have battled with severe itching on my back for almost three years. It was, in retrospect, probably one of my earliest signs of scleroderma. I do not have a rash, but have massive hyperpigmentation on my back, along with spots of hard skin that are quite pale. Due to the condition of my lungs, I took a generous dose of Prednisone for over 4 months. It did not help my itching. However, Atarax, or hydroxyzine, helps somewhat. It makes me very sleepy so I am only able to take it at bedtime.  It may be taken three times per day.  Perhaps the entire dose would make a real difference.  Also, a topical prescription cream called Clobetasol Propionate offers some relief.  It must be used very sparingly and only as a last resort. I know the cream is  stronger than regular cortisone preparations. I take 1.2 mg. of Colchicine daily.  However, none of it is a magic cure. (If they could package this itch, they could conquer all nations – the enemy would cry "uncle"! ) When I met  Dana Lovvorn who wrote the book, "Scleroderma:  Surviving A Seventeen-Year Itch" (lovely lady and an excellent book, by the way), I told her how, when first diagnosed I had come upon her book title and thought to myself, "Oh, goodie, I only have another 15 years!"  We both got a big laugh out of that!  I don’t know about the rash, but the itching is definitely a symptom of systemic sclerosis.

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When I get desperate with the itching, I resort to ice packs on offending area.  This really helps me but I’m not sure if it is good for the Raynaud’s.  Hope this might help you and good luck.   Susan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Metronym wrote: > I have battled with severe itching on my back for almost three years. It was, > in retrospect, probably one of my earliest signs of scleroderma. I do not have > a rash, but have massive hyperpigmentation on my back, along with spots of hard > skin that are quite pale. Due to the condition of my lungs, I took a generous > dose of Prednisone for over 4 months. It did not help my itching. However, > Atarax, or hydroxyzine, helps somewhat. It makes me very sleepy so I am only > able to take it at bedtime.  It may be taken three times per day.  Perhaps the > entire dose would make a real difference.  Also, a topical prescription cream > called Clobetasol Propionate offers some relief.  It must be used very > sparingly and only as a last resort. I know the cream is  stronger than regular > cortisone preparations. I take 1.2 mg. of Colchicine daily.  However, none of > it is a magic cure. (If they could package this itch, they could conquer all > nations – the enemy would cry "uncle"! ) When I met  Dana Lovvorn who wrote the > book, "Scleroderma:  Surviving A Seventeen-Year Itch" (lovely lady and an > excellent book, by the way), I told her how, when first diagnosed I had come > upon her book title and thought to myself, "Oh, goodie, I only have another 15 > years!"  We both got a big laugh out of that!  I don’t know about the rash, but > the itching is definitely a symptom of systemic sclerosis.

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<<What do you say to the skeptics?>> Just say Thank you.  I find it is useless to try to explain people think you are "goldbricking" People used to tell me how fat I was getting when I was cushinoid from Prednisone. You can’t please people. Just try taking care of yourself and don’t let them get to you……Gigi

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In article <3713ED0C.5…@erols.com>, JERRY <jmg…@erols.com> writes [] >As far as your boss goes, >I’d get hime a phamplet or book about lupus and ask him to read it. [] >Good luck!  Mary

Try mine (well, the one I borrowed..) on http://www.kitzbuhel.demon.co.uklupussle.htm — Andy For Austria & its philately, Lupus, & much else visit http://www.kitzbuhel.demon.co.uk

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Thank you all for your advice.  I’ve had a very had time dealing with my lupus lately.  Why I don’t know.  After 9 years you would think I’d know how to handle it.

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Gee – thanks for posting that question. I didn’t even think of the pamphlet angle.
My coworkers and boss look so doubtful all the time when I don’t feel "well."  In
fact, yesterday I was out with 102 fever and needed a note from the doctor. Boss
really acted doubtful that I was really ill – I will get him some info so that he will
understand why a URI can level us at our best and our need for antibiotic help.
Now if I can just get people to stop asking me about my blood pressure because
of the red face.  People are sure rude, aren’t they!!!!    -**** Posted from RemarQ, http://www.remarq.com/?a ****-  Search and Read Usenet Discussions in your Browser – FREE –

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Andy – Couldn’t get to your link at that address.  Others, try http://www.kitzbuhel.demon.co.uk/ and select ‘Lupus’ link.  Thanks!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Andy wrote: > In article <3713ED0C.5…@erols.com>, JERRY <jmg…@erols.com> writes > [] > >As far as your boss goes, > >I’d get hime a phamplet or book about lupus and ask him to read it. > [] > >Good luck!  Mary > Try mine (well, the one I borrowed..) on > http://www.kitzbuhel.demon.co.uklupussle.htm > — > Andy > For Austria & its philately, Lupus, & much else visit > http://www.kitzbuhel.demon.co.uk

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i never know what to do when i have a really bad rash on my face and little kids point it out, like "mommy, what’s wrong with her face??!!!" it’s so embarrassing.

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Re; Don’t look sick. People can be such ass holes, to hell with what they think, I get same response from my husband, funny you don’t look sick. I just want to kick him when he tells me that. Unless their experience an illness for themselves they have no idea, how debilitating it really can be.To hell with those who cannot support you, is what I say. and just go about your life. Sue

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Analog- For younger kids who don’t know any better try, "Yes, I have boo-boo’s on my face."  For adults, who should know better, try "I have Lupus, what’s your exuse?" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Analog99 wrote: > i never know what to do when i have a really bad rash on my face and little > kids point it out, like "mommy, what’s wrong with her face??!!!" > it’s so embarrassing.

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This is such a hard thing to deal with.  I have a very understanding boss, and he believes me when I say I’m sick, but he still worries about what the others think.  The ironic thing is that if I come to work and hour or two late, once I am feeling human, I am subject to criticism (why can Sandy come in any time she wants?).  I could have stayed home all day, taken a sick day, and no one would question it.  In other words, if I make an effort to do six hours instead of eight on a day that starts out badly, people will gossip.  If I stay home, that’s OK. Fortunately my job is fairly independent, and I can work a whacky schedule without interfering with anyone else’s work.  I can work at home sometimes too. Sandy

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I wish I had an understanding boss.  Unfortunately, I am a consultant, I get no paid time off for anything.  There are days I go to work and can barely lift my hands to type.  I am a technical writer and wish I could work at home.  But my boss is one of those who doesn’t believe you’re working unless he can see you.  Sometimes I just want to sit down and cry from the frustration of it.  My doctor is not much better, I asked for him to write a note to my boss, and it was so medical oriented that not even I could understand it. I wish, for once, I could get a week off or at least be able to work at home for the majority of the week, but as a consultant it is very had to do.  I have no clout and can be replaced.  I am the only one working right now and there are two other that depend on me, my husband and 4-year-old daughter (the light of my life).  My husband is also a consultant, and is currently between jobs.  I don’t know what to do.  I just need a rest. Thanks all for letting me blow off steam.  It’s been a rough week. Cheryl – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -MindSpring User wrote in message <7fbbho$kr…@camel18.mindspring.com>… >This is such a hard thing to deal with.  I have a very understanding boss, >and he believes me when I say I’m sick, but he still worries about what the >others think.  The ironic thing is that if I come to work and hour or two >late, once I am feeling human, I am subject to criticism (why can Sandy come >in any time she wants?).  I could have stayed home all day, taken a sick >day, and no one would question it.  In other words, if I make an effort to >do six hours instead of eight on a day that starts out badly, people will >gossip.  If I stay home, that’s OK. >Fortunately my job is fairly independent, and I can work a whacky schedule >without interfering with anyone else’s work.  I can work at home sometimes >too. >Sandy

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Cheryl, Tell them you can’t judge a book by its cover! Lupus 20 yrs Marge Marge

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Cheryl, It is often difficult for companies to make the transition to telecommuting. I have found that the best way to ease the fear for the company is to change from being paid by the hour, to being paid by the project. From what you describe, that should be a fairly easy transition to make. It’s good for you, because you can work whenever you feel up to it. It’s good for the company because they know how much their cost is. They then should only be concerned with the result, not when, or how you get it done. Even though I am now retired on disability, I still take on special projects on that basis. We exchange files via e-mail as needed. Once they knew that the projects would be done well, and on time, they relaxed and realized that the arrangement was best for them too. Good Luck. But, take care of yourself, too!! Don On Sun, 18 Apr 1999 17:12:36 -0400, "Cheryl C." <tekri…@neo.rr.com> wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I wish I had an understanding boss.  Unfortunately, I am a consultant, I get >no paid time off for anything.  There are days I go to work and can barely >lift my hands to type.  I am a technical writer and wish I could work at >home.  But my boss is one of those who doesn’t believe you’re working unless >he can see you.  Sometimes I just want to sit down and cry from the >frustration of it.  My doctor is not much better, I asked for him to write a >note to my boss, and it was so medical oriented that not even I could >understand it. >I wish, for once, I could get a week off or at least be able to work at home >for the majority of the week, but as a consultant it is very had to do.  I >have no clout and can be replaced.  I am the only one working right now and >there are two other that depend on me, my husband and 4-year-old daughter >(the light of my life).  My husband is also a consultant, and is currently >between jobs.  I don’t know what to do.  I just need a rest. >Thanks all for letting me blow off steam.  It’s been a rough week. >Cheryl >MindSpring User wrote in message <7fbbho$kr…@camel18.mindspring.com>… >>This is such a hard thing to deal with.  I have a very understanding boss, >>and he believes me when I say I’m sick, but he still worries about what the >>others think.  The ironic thing is that if I come to work and hour or two >>late, once I am feeling human, I am subject to criticism (why can Sandy >come >>in any time she wants?).  I could have stayed home all day, taken a sick >>day, and no one would question it.  In other words, if I make an effort to >>do six hours instead of eight on a day that starts out badly, people will >>gossip.  If I stay home, that’s OK. >>Fortunately my job is fairly independent, and I can work a whacky schedule >>without interfering with anyone else’s work.  I can work at home sometimes >>too. >>Sandy

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When I tell people I am sick and just feel wore out I usually get this surprised stare from them and they say, "But you look great!  You don’t look sick."  How should I deal with them?  What do I have to do, faint or turn green.  What do you say to the skeptics? My boss at work just looks at me like I’m nuts when I say I need to go home because I’m sick.  I don’t think anyone believes Lupus doesn’t have the visual signals of illness all the time.  sometimes I just want to pass out and fall on top of them to get the point across. Cheryl- 9 years a Lupie

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This is a common bond many of us share, Cheryl. I know and people that are close to me know  I don’t look right. Even when I went into my last major flare and lost a lot of weight and looked like a skinned rat, most acquaintances thought I looked great. I have learned to just accept this fact of life. I sometimes wonder if even the Rheumy’s understand what misery we are in when we go into their offices with our rosy little cheeks. Donna – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Cheryl wrote in message <6WMQ2.3602$Ya.11…@dustdevil.neo.rr.com>… >When I tell people I am sick and just feel wore out I usually get this >surprised stare from them and they say, "But you look great!  You don’t look >sick."  How should I deal with them?  What do I have to do, faint or turn >green.  What do you say to the skeptics? >My boss at work just looks at me like I’m nuts when I say I need to go home >because I’m sick.  I don’t think anyone believes Lupus doesn’t have the >visual signals of illness all the time.  sometimes I just want to pass out >and fall on top of them to get the point across. >Cheryl- >9 years a Lupie

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Cheryl wrote: > When I tell people I am sick and just feel wore out I usually get this > surprised stare from them and they say, "But you look great!  You don’t look > sick."  How should I deal with them?  What do I have to do, faint or turn > green.  What do you say to the skeptics? > My boss at work just looks at me like I’m nuts when I say I need to go home > because I’m sick.  I don’t think anyone believes Lupus doesn’t have the > visual signals of illness all the time.  sometimes I just want to pass out > and fall on top of them to get the point across. > Cheryl- > 9 years a Lupie

Yes, all of us Lupies feel the same as you do about the comments of others.  I get a real bad rash on my face at times and they say you look so good, you have so much color!  Little do they know that I am in a bad flare when my face is plastered with lesions.  I guess I’d rather people tell me I look good than bad.  My Dr. said that’s one of the bad things about lupus, you’re so sick and you don’t look it.  He said if someone sees someone in a wheelchair with a broken leg, they have sympathy for them, but with us it’s quite different, even though we are suffering more than the person who gets the sympathy.  As far as your boss goes, I’d get hime a phamplet or book about lupus and ask him to read it.  I am fortunate my boss (principal of the school) is very understanding.  I am also fortunate that I haven’t missed a complete day from work for almost 3 years, but he would be understanding if I were out.  Of course, being with the school system we get some nice holidays and summers off. Good luck!  Mary

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