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In article <3ac10…@news.polarcomm.com>, "Marvin Nelson" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -<flaxforhea…@yahoo.com> wrote: > That is an interesting idea, but then the question becomes why do women in > some parts of the world suffer much higher rates of autoimmune disease than > others. The higher rates of autoimmune diseases tend to actually be in > countries with lower pregnancy rates. Not to say that the fetal cells can’t > be a trigger, but I’m more of the school that believes that the omega-3 > depletion that occurs with pregnancy sets the women up for the expression of > an autoimmune/inflammatory disease. Diet in different countries comes much > closer to explaining differences. > "ruth tay" <ruth…@mcn.org> wrote in message > news:ruthtay-2603011750050001@ha-1o-men-p1-m13.mcn.org… > > Wow !! What an idea. Do You suppose that if a woman had two or three > > different husbands she could have several groups of cells from her fetuses > > that are still floating around in her body. Joanne that is one dynamic > > article and It certainly gave me food for thought. Thanks a lot Ruth
Hi Marvin. In thinking over fetal cells being a trigger for autoimmune disease has there ever been a follow-up on the women who have babies for other people such as having a donor egg and a donor sperm transplanted into the uterous. It would seem that would be double trouble. Just food for thought Ruth Tay
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Wow !! What an idea. Do You suppose that if a woman had two or three different husbands she could have several groups of cells from her fetuses that are still floating around in her body. Joanne that is one dynamic article and It certainly gave me food for thought. Thanks a lot Ruth
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Hi Ruth, I think that sometimes for this disease, the mistake that is made by researchers is looking for (only) one cause. There may be more than one cause or numerous factors and combinations thereof. The immune system not "liking" foreign cells (whether from one husband, many, or even unfertilized ova which gets re-absorbed into a woman’s body seem like areas that could be explored). We’ve also talked about exposures to chemicals on this NG. I think someone posted about chromosome P-450?? in cells that can mutate in the face of exposures to chemicals. If they ever find the cause(s) of Lupus and other auto-immune disease, I believe this will be another major "marker" in the search for health of human beings in general. I like the way your brain works 
Your line of thinking is perhaps but one reason why Lupus is called the disease of 1,000 faces. Take care, Jean – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -ruth tay wrote: > Wow !! What an idea. Do You suppose that if a woman had two or three > different husbands she could have several groups of cells from her fetuses > that are still floating around in her body. Joanne that is one dynamic > article and It certainly gave me food for thought. Thanks a lot Ruth
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -In article <3AC10343.F1AC3…@home.com>, J Wootton <jwoot…@home.com> wrote: > Hi Ruth, > I think that sometimes for this disease, the mistake that is made by > researchers is looking for (only) one cause. > There may be more than one cause or numerous factors and combinations > thereof. The immune system not "liking" foreign cells (whether from one > husband, many, or even unfertilized ova which gets re-absorbed into a woman’s > body seem like areas that could be explored). > We’ve also talked about exposures to chemicals on this NG. I think someone > posted about chromosome P-450?? in cells that can mutate in the face of > exposures to chemicals. > If they ever find the cause(s) of Lupus and other auto-immune disease, I > believe this will be another major "marker" in the search for health of human > beings in general. > I like the way your brain works > Your line of thinking is perhaps but one reason why Lupus is called the > disease of 1,000 faces. > Take care, > Jean > ruth tay wrote: > > Wow !! What an idea. Do You suppose that if a woman had two or three > > different husbands she could have several groups of cells from her fetuses > > that are still floating around in her body. Joanne that is one dynamic > > article and It certainly gave me food for thought. Thanks a lot Ruth
Dear Jean, I listened to a C E O of a drug company talk about an estimated 40 new ways to do gene manipulation that they are researching now. When I first read that artical on pregnancy & fetal cells it made very good sense to me. Now I can see how gene manipulation might work. The reason I brought up the thought of multiple husbands and different fetal cells still existing in the body is that having two husbands the first dying of cystic fibrosis and the second having multiple chronic heart problems, various fetal cell problems could exist. Along with 8 miscarriages there could be quite a lot of fetal cells that do not harmonize with the body. I did not get diagnosed with lupus until the sixth pregnancy. My reasoning may be skewered but it gives me a lot to think about. Again thanks a lot Ruth
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That is an interesting idea, but then the question becomes why do women in some parts of the world suffer much higher rates of autoimmune disease than others. The higher rates of autoimmune diseases tend to actually be in countries with lower pregnancy rates. Not to say that the fetal cells can’t be a trigger, but I’m more of the school that believes that the omega-3 depletion that occurs with pregnancy sets the women up for the expression of an autoimmune/inflammatory disease. Diet in different countries comes much closer to explaining differences. "ruth tay" <ruth…@mcn.org> wrote in message
news:ruthtay-2603011750050001@ha-1o-men-p1-m13.mcn.org… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Wow !! What an idea. Do You suppose that if a woman had two or three > different husbands she could have several groups of cells from her fetuses > that are still floating around in her body. Joanne that is one dynamic > article and It certainly gave me food for thought. Thanks a lot Ruth
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In article <3ac10…@news.polarcomm.com>, Marvin Nelson <flaxforhea…@yahoo.com> wrote >That is an interesting idea, but then the question becomes why do women in >some parts of the world suffer much higher rates of autoimmune disease than >others. The higher rates of autoimmune diseases tend to actually be in >countries with lower pregnancy rates. Not to say that the fetal cells can’t >be a trigger, but I’m more of the school that believes that the omega-3 >depletion that occurs with pregnancy sets the women up for the expression of >an autoimmune/inflammatory disease. Diet in different countries comes much >closer to explaining differences.
Some research is said to be under way to explore if people in London (UK) from different ethnic backgrounds (but, being 2nd or 3rd generation, having adopted the same sort of diet) have the same or different incidences. — Andy For Austrian philately <URL: http://www.kitzbuhel.demon.co.uk/austamps/> For Lupus <URL: http://www.kitzbuhel.demon.co.uk/lupus/> For my other interests <URL: http://www.kitzbuhel.demon.co.uk/>
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