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Like I asked you, and I asked because I am truely interested, where precisely does it say this in the Bible? — Regards Gordie
Bearing in mind that it’s all fantasy literature, try Romans 3:23 (IIRC) 
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Like I asked you, and I asked because I am truely interested, where precisely does it say this in the Bible? — Regards Gordie Bearing in mind that it’s all fantasy literature, try Romans 3:23 (IIRC)
3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Precisely it does NOT say And everyone sins (according to the bible) by just being alive.: everyone sins (according to the bible) by just being alive.: (according to the bible) by just being alive.: (according to the bible) — by just being alive.: by just being alive.:
I didn’t think that was in there but I could have been wrong so I asked. Thank you for trying to help. — Regards Gordie
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – And everyone sins (according to the bible) by just being alive.: : Really? Where does it say this? Read your bible cover to cover,….. all have sinned the bible says. The only way a human can get through even a month without "sinning" is to stay Also explain why WE should pay for the "sins" (a woman being tricked) of someone who lived thousands of years ago? Does this violent god also punish the innocent children of murderers and thieves? Should we now start to imprison all the kids and grandkids of criminals? And everyone sins (according to the bible) by just being alive.: everyone sins (according to the bible) by just being alive.: (according to the bible) by just being alive.: (according to the bible) — by just being alive.:
Like I asked you, and I asked because I am truely interested, where precisely does it say this in the Bible? — Regards Gordie
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – : : From the messages at Medjegore: : : January 25, 1991 "Dear children! Today, like never before, I invite : you to prayer. Let your prayer be a prayer for peace. : : *** Satan is strong and desires to destroy not only human life, but : also nature and the planet on which you live. *** ## Where in the bible does Satan claim any such thing???? He/she/it didn’t cause any flood that killed thousands, nor create diseases, nor claim to find the aroma of burning slaughtered animals "pleasing." Aside from tricking some ignorant, uneducated women in a garden a few thou years ago…. what did this Satan do? : Therefore, dear children, pray that through prayer you can protect : yourselves with God’s blessing of peace. God has sent me among you so : that I may help you. If you so wish, grasp for the rosary. Even the : rosary alone can work miracles in the world and in your lives. ## I must have missed all the scriptures mentioning rosary beads in the bible. I bless : you and I remain with you for as long as it is God’s will. Thank you : for not betraying my presence here and I thank you because your : response is serving the good and the peace." : I have separated a line which speaks to this subject. : — : Regards : Gordie
Forgive me for looking anywhere else but the Bible for any answers. Perhaps you can explain how the Bible, which was pre-dated by the Catholic Church by almost 360 years has managed to become the stream that rises higher than its source? The Bible is the product of the Catholic Church. In the Reformation the Protestant church became the product of the Bible. The Reformers then modified the Bible by removing some of its books. The Protestant Bible is less than 500 years old. Which Bible do you propose to use as a yardstick to messure the Catholic Church? What is your scriptural basis for your decision? — Regards Gordie
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: : From the messages at Medjegore: : : January 25, 1991 "Dear children! Today, like never before, I invite : you to prayer. Let your prayer be a prayer for peace. : : *** Satan is strong and desires to destroy not only human life, but : also nature and the planet on which you live. *** ## Where in the bible does Satan claim any such thing???? He/she/it didn’t cause any flood that killed thousands, nor create diseases, nor claim to find the aroma of burning slaughtered animals "pleasing." Aside from tricking some ignorant, uneducated women in a garden a few thou years ago…. what did this Satan do? : Therefore, dear children, pray that through prayer you can protect : yourselves with God’s blessing of peace. God has sent me among you so : that I may help you. If you so wish, grasp for the rosary. Even the : rosary alone can work miracles in the world and in your lives. ## I must have missed all the scriptures mentioning rosary beads in the bible. I bless : you and I remain with you for as long as it is God’s will. Thank you : for not betraying my presence here and I thank you because your : response is serving the good and the peace." : I have separated a line which speaks to this subject. : — : Regards : Gordie — Fuzzy Won…… Just more loving kindness from God… "Therefore fathers shall eat their sons in the midst of you and sons shall eat their fathers…I will send famine and wild beasts against you and they shall rob you of your children; pestilence and blood shall pass through you; and I will bring a sword upon you. I, the Lord, have spoken." Ezekiel 5:10, 5:17 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -< ~~~ < ~~~ < ~~~ < ~~~ < ~~~ < ~~~ < ~~~
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: : Don’t mind Prominate Bethelite AKA = * | * = AKA : He quotes all kinds of things but never backs it up through scripture, and : when he does he omits words…. What a fool you are!!!! Look at my headers. I am not PB. LOL!!! — Fuzzy Won…… Just more loving kindness from God… "Therefore fathers shall eat their sons in the midst of you and sons shall eat their fathers…I will send famine and wild beasts against you and they shall rob you of your children; pestilence and blood shall pass through you; and I will bring a sword upon you. I, the Lord, have spoken." Ezekiel 5:10, 5:17 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -< ~~~ < ~~~ < ~~~ < ~~~ < ~~~ < ~~~ < ~~~
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** And everyone sins (according to the bible) by just being alive.
Really? Where does it say this? — Regards Gordie
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** And everyone sins (according to the bible) by just being alive. Really? Where does it say this? — Regards Gordie
Gordie, He quotes all kinds of things but never backs it up through scripture, and when he does he omits words…. Do a google search on him and his posts http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Promine… you’ll see.
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: : ** And everyone sins (according to the bible) by just being alive. : : Really? Where does it say this? Read your bible cover to cover,….. all have sinned the bible says. The only way a human can get through even a month without "sinning" is to stay Also explain why WE should pay for the "sins" (a woman being tricked) of someone who lived thousands of years ago? Does this violent god also punish the innocent children of murderers and thieves? Should we now start to imprison all the kids and grandkids of criminals? — Fuzzy Won…… Just more loving kindness from God… "Therefore fathers shall eat their sons in the midst of you and sons shall eat their fathers…I will send famine and wild beasts against you and they shall rob you of your children; pestilence and blood shall pass through you; and I will bring a sword upon you. I, the Lord, have spoken." Ezekiel 5:10, 5:17 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -< ~~~ < ~~~ < ~~~ < ~~~ < ~~~ < ~~~ < ~~~
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – No. According to the bible ONLY GOD can create. So we have this god to thank for Ebola, AIDS, cancer, parasites, stillbirths, scleroderma, lupus disease, diabetes, SARS, mad-cow prions and all the other things he/she/it saw as "good." Sounds like semantics to me. According to what I read God created and then Satan brought sin into the world. Do you think sin can also be visible (the environment comes to mind)? My choice of words will never please those who delight in correcting others but I see that as a sort of re-creation only things are somewhat broken. I do not think we see Gods creation at all but things have all been altered and that is what we get to see. If you see nature as beautiful then I suggest it was better before the fall.
From the messages at Medjegore: January 25, 1991 "Dear children! Today, like never before, I invite you to prayer. Let your prayer be a prayer for peace. *** Satan is strong and desires to destroy not only human life, but also nature and the planet on which you live. *** Therefore, dear children, pray that through prayer you can protect yourselves with God’s blessing of peace. God has sent me among you so that I may help you. If you so wish, grasp for the rosary. Even the rosary alone can work miracles in the world and in your lives. I bless you and I remain with you for as long as it is God’s will. Thank you for not betraying my presence here and I thank you because your response is serving the good and the peace." I have separated a line which speaks to this subject. — Regards Gordie
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – No. According to the bible ONLY GOD can create. So we have this god to thank for Ebola, AIDS, cancer, parasites, stillbirths, scleroderma, lupus disease, diabetes, SARS, mad-cow prions and all the other things he/she/it saw as "good." Sounds like semantics to me. According to what I read God created and then Satan brought sin into the world. Do you think sin can also be visible (the environment comes to mind)? My choice of words will never please those who delight in correcting others but I see that as a sort of re-creation only things are somewhat broken. I do not think we see Gods creation at all but things have all been altered and that is what we get to see. If you see nature as beautiful then I suggest it was better before the fall. — Regards Gordie As Monty Python put it: All things dull and ug-ly, All creatures, short and squat, All things rude and na-sty, The Lord God made the lot. Each little snake that poisons, Each little wasp that stings, He made their prudish venom, He made their horrid wings. All things sick and cancerous, All evil great and small, All things foul and dangerous, The Lord God made them all. Each nasty little hornet, Each beastly little squid, Who made the spiky urchin? Who made the sharks? He did! All things scant and ulcerous, All pox both great and small, Putrid, foul and gangrenous, The Lord God made them all. Amen.
Heeheeheehee! Here is one we learned in the sCA: A Grazing Mace A grazing mace, how swift the blow That felled a wretch like thee! Thy helm is flat – that once was round Done in by my mace and me! (and my additions) My mace hath taught my foes to fear My flail, my sword sharp honed! And on the field all round me clear My enemies lie prone! When we have fought ten thousand days My mace and I as one! The bounty pound for pound it pays Shall buy me at last a gun! Edged wea-pons fine in wars may be And maces better still. A loa-ded forty-four you see, Still makes an eas’ier kill! Swan
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: Sounds like semantics to me. According to what I read God created and : then Satan brought sin into the world. ** Sin? ONLY god can create. So if this "sin" of being beguiled by a talking snake was a sin then this god created it.
[snip] I understand that sin is the falling out of fellowship with God. In this instance our forebears have decided to run their own lives their own way without God. And we are no different – it was also our call to have nothing to do with God. We alone are responsible for such actions, not God. In the end sin takes a grip on our lives "Jesus replied, ‘I tell you the truth, everyone who sins is a slave to sin’" (John 8:34). Yet sin and death are inseparable "… for the wages of sin is death … " (Romans 6:23). However God has provided a way out "… but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." (Romans 6:23).
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: I understand that sin is the falling out of fellowship with God. In this : instance our forebears have decided to run their own lives their own way : without God. ** That’s not what Genesis claimed. The women, ignorant, uneducated and with no past to go by for experience was TRICKED! Nowhere did it say they decided to run their own lives. And why should’t they anyway? No one wants to be someone else’s serf or slave. That’s not living, it’s existing. And we are no different – it was also our call to have nothing : to do with God. We alone are responsible for such actions, not God. ** What actions? We didn’t create disease, parasites and other horrors…… : : In the end sin takes a grip on our lives "Jesus replied, ‘I tell you the : truth, everyone who sins is a slave to sin’" (John 8:34). ** And everyone sins (according to the bible) by just being alive. Should we all lock ourselves in a closet or cell, least we have an impure thought or idea? : : Yet sin and death are inseparable "… for the wages of sin is death … " ** How else could they explain death to their followers? See above. Should we all live in a bubble so as not to be tempted in any way? Death would be preferable. : (Romans 6:23). However God has provided a way out "… but the gift of God : is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." (Romans 6:23). — Fuzzy Won…… Just more loving kindness from God… "Therefore fathers shall eat their sons in the midst of you and sons shall eat their fathers…I will send famine and wild beasts against you and they shall rob you of your children; pestilence and blood shall pass through you; and I will bring a sword upon you. I, the Lord, have spoken." Ezekiel 5:10, 5:17 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -< ~~~ < ~~~ < ~~~ < ~~~ < ~~~ < ~~~ < ~~~
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: As Monty Python put it: : : All things dull and ug-ly, : All creatures, short and squat, : All things rude and na-sty, : The Lord God made the lot. =====etc. LOL!!!! This is fantastic! ROFLMAO!!!! 
— Marlyman….. I submit that we are both atheist, I simply believe in one fewer god than you. When you can understand why you dismiss all other gods, then you will understand why I dismiss yours. -Stephen F. Frost- -=*=- -=*=- -=*=- -=*=- -=*=- -=*=- -=*=- -=*=-
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: Sounds like semantics to me. According to what I read God created and : then Satan brought sin into the world. ** Sin? ONLY god can create. So if this "sin" of being beguiled by a talking snake was a sin then this god created it. How can someone sin who is beguiled? Anyone can be fooled, misled and beguiled. Plus Satan didn’t lie when she/he/it said she would NOT DIE that day. She lived on, if you believe this ancient myth. Do you think sin can also be : visible (the environment comes to mind)? My choice of words will : never please those who delight in correcting others but I see that as : a sort of re-creation only things are somewhat broken. I do not think : we see Gods creation at all but things have all been altered and that : is what we get to see. ** That depends on where you live. Some areas of the earth have never been touched in a negative way by man. : If you see nature as beautiful then I suggest it was better before the : fall. ** The fall? Give up your old myths and join the 21 st Century : Regards : Gordie — Fuzzy Won…… Just more loving kindness from God… "Therefore fathers shall eat their sons in the midst of you and sons shall eat their fathers…I will send famine and wild beasts against you and they shall rob you of your children; pestilence and blood shall pass through you; and I will bring a sword upon you. I, the Lord, have spoken." Ezekiel 5:10, 5:17 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -< ~~~ < ~~~ < ~~~ < ~~~ < ~~~ < ~~~ < ~~~
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – No. According to the bible ONLY GOD can create. So we have this god to thank for Ebola, AIDS, cancer, parasites, stillbirths, scleroderma, lupus disease, diabetes, SARS, mad-cow prions and all the other things he/she/it saw as "good." Sounds like semantics to me. According to what I read God created and then Satan brought sin into the world. Do you think sin can also be visible (the environment comes to mind)? My choice of words will never please those who delight in correcting others but I see that as a sort of re-creation only things are somewhat broken. I do not think we see Gods creation at all but things have all been altered and that is what we get to see. If you see nature as beautiful then I suggest it was better before the fall. — Regards Gordie
As Monty Python put it: All things dull and ug-ly, All creatures, short and squat, All things rude and na-sty, The Lord God made the lot. Each little snake that poisons, Each little wasp that stings, He made their prudish venom, He made their horrid wings. All things sick and cancerous, All evil great and small, All things foul and dangerous, The Lord God made them all. Each nasty little hornet, Each beastly little squid, Who made the spiky urchin? Who made the sharks? He did! All things scant and ulcerous, All pox both great and small, Putrid, foul and gangrenous, The Lord God made them all. Amen. — The last temptation is the highest treason: To do the right thing for the wrong reason. –T..S. Eliot Walter
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – As Monty Python put it: All things dull and ug-ly, All creatures, short and squat, All things rude and na-sty, The Lord God made the lot. Each little snake that poisons, Each little wasp that stings, He made their prudish venom, He made their horrid wings. All things sick and cancerous, All evil great and small, All things foul and dangerous, The Lord God made them all. Each nasty little hornet, Each beastly little squid, Who made the spiky urchin? Who made the sharks? He did! All things scant and ulcerous, All pox both great and small, Putrid, foul and gangrenous, The Lord God made them all. Amen.
LOL! However, in God’s infinite wisdom, God gave us our human minds for overcoming most of the above (I just hope we don’t wipe out the shark and the squid, etc. though). Shalom, JCF
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I guess fundamentalists don’t use spell-check anymore. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – what are apostols? Jabriol comments: "In 1938, the Archbishop of York in the NEW YORK TIMES, mentioned, that it was quite acceptable a christian to believe in evolution, Genesis 1 and 2 was not literal. Well once start calling event in the Bible untrue, you end up calling Jesus a liar, as well as his apostols, what did you expect? Queerdom is condemed in the Bible, In the New Testament, as with the Old one. I guess anglicans don’t use the Bible anymore.
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: : Jabriol comments: "In 1938, the Archbishop of York in the NEW YORK TIMES, mentioned, that it was quite acceptable a christian to believe in evolution, Genesis 1 and 2 was not literal. Well once start calling event in the Bible untrue, you end up calling Jesus a liar, ** Jesus didn’t know any better. He simply repeated what he was taught as a child. That doesn’t make him a liar. as well as his apostols, what did you expect? Queerdom is condemed in the Bible, ** And yet your god created these "queers"…. just so he/she/it could condemn them? In the New Testament, as with the Old one. I guess anglicans don’t use the Bible anymore. – Mark & Mike… I submit that we are both atheist, I simply believe in one fewer god than you. When you can understand why you dismiss all other gods, then you will understand why I dismiss yours. -Stephen F. Frost- -=*=- -=*=- -=*=- -=*=- -=*=- -=*=- -=*=- -=*=-
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** And yet your god created these "queers"…. just so he/she/it could condemn them?
Would it be possible that God created and Satan re-created so that things are not exactly the way God intended them to be? — Regards Gordie
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: : ** And yet your god created these "queers"…. just so he/she/it could : condemn them? : : Would it be possible that God created and Satan re-created so that : things are not exactly the way God intended them to be? No. According to the bible ONLY GOD can create. So we have this god to thank for Ebola, AIDS, cancer, parasites, stillbirths, scleroderma, lupus disease, diabetes, SARS, mad-cow prions and all the other things he/she/it saw as "good." Kammie….. Jabriol, a known sociopath, should be more careful in the way he presents himself. Some people here might start pulling out all those Jehovah’s Witness quotes about "knowing the tree by it’s fruit."
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No. According to the bible ONLY GOD can create. So we have this god to thank for Ebola, AIDS, cancer, parasites, stillbirths, scleroderma, lupus disease, diabetes, SARS, mad-cow prions and all the other things he/she/it saw as "good."
Sounds like semantics to me. According to what I read God created and then Satan brought sin into the world. Do you think sin can also be visible (the environment comes to mind)? My choice of words will never please those who delight in correcting others but I see that as a sort of re-creation only things are somewhat broken. I do not think we see Gods creation at all but things have all been altered and that is what we get to see. If you see nature as beautiful then I suggest it was better before the fall. — Regards Gordie
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what are apostols?
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gay US bishop raged on within the Anglican church on Saturday, despite a call for reflection and prayer from the Archbishop of Canterbury, who has announced an emergency summit of senior clergy to head off a threatened split in the church. Announcing the mid-October summit on Friday, Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams said "anxieties" triggered by Tuesday’s confirmation of openly gay cleric Gene Robinson as a bishop for the state of New Hampshire had to be confronted. The meeting was called after various conservative church leaders including Archbishop of Nigeria Peter Akinola, head of the world’s largest Anglican community, suggested Robinson’s appointment would split the church. Prior to Robinson’s appointment, a group of 24 conservative US bishops had
already threatened to leave the church if he was confirmed as bishop. Peter Jensen, archbishop of Sydney, Australia – also known for his conservatism – said on Saturday that the decision to call the summit "indicates the gravity of the crisis". Referring to the Anglican churches of Canada, the United States and Britain, traditionally more moderate than those in the developing world, Jensen told BBC Radio 4: "My guess is that even in these countries, a majority of Christians in the churches are opposed to this development." But he played down threats of a split in the international Anglican Communion – which has 70 million members in 164 countries, grouped in 38 church ‘provinces’. "This is an innovation which has caused disunity," Jensen said. "Split, however, is a bit too strong a word." Williams, who took office as Archbishop of Canterbury in February, is known for his liberal views and his support – in principle – for the appointment of gay clergy. He said he had raised no objection to the appointment last month of the openly gay Canon Jeffrey John as bishop for the British town of Reading. John later withdrew his candidacy to avert a schism between conservative and liberal factions within the Church of England. But Williams is taking extreme care not to compromise his ability to broker some kind of solution to the crisis threatening to engulf his church. "I hope that in our deliberations we will find that there are ways forward in this situation which can preserve our respect for one another and for the bonds that unite us," he said on Friday, in a thinly-veiled call for an end to public bickering on the issue. "I hope we can use the time between now and then to reflect, to pray, to consult and to take counsel." But many liberal church leaders who have for years been quietly pushing for a more tolerant attitude towards homosexual clergy, are unlikely to miss what they see as an opportunity for gay colleagues to have their say at last. "It will be very good to hear their voice in a debate that has been endangered and indeed hijacked by conservatives who, in fact, give evangelicals a bad name for narrowness and put many people off the church," said Colin Slee, the dean of London’s borough of Southwark. Jabriol comments: "In 1938, the Archbishop of York in the NEW YORK TIMES,
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