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I have been a diabetic in poor control for 14 years. Recently, I got the pimp, and am in wonderful control.
I bet you get bitch slapped if you’re not 
Beav
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I have been diabetic for 30 years, and have succesfully controlled it for only the last 2. I have similar joint pains, which my doctor tells me is arthritis, but I am not sure I believe him. Whatever the cause, I have been treating it with Glucosomine and Niacinamide, which is supposed to enhance the Glucosomine. Since I have been taking these things regularly, the pain is alot less. I still have limited movement. Certain movements makes the pain really kick in, but in general, I feel much better. Joe
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – A diabetic for thirty years, I have developed joint pains and aches which I believe are related to the wear and tear of diabetes. Other diseases such as gout, Lyme disease, Lupus or common forms of arthritis have been tested for and subsequently ruled out. Doctors vaguely ascribe the nature of my condition to a form of neuropathy but are not exactly sure. The pain symptoms can be severe and ‘migrate’ – that is, show up at various points: knees, shoulder, groin, wrist, etc. and then subside. However, wrist and hand pain has been constant and I am advised to get surgery for Carpal-tunnel syndrome. My question to you is: has anyone experienced similar symptoms and if so, is there any treatment for this condition or relief from the pain that it causes (other than heavy doses of Percoset opr codiene)? * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find
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I started having very similar symptoms to you about 3 years ago ( about 8 months after switching to Humalog) and I was speculating that there might be some sort of connection. . I changed to NovoRapid some 4 months ago and have had far fewer of these symptoms, but I am nevertheless more inclined to think this is just a coincidence. I do recall that the symptoms would be most acute following mild hypoglycaemia: the forearm and carpals feel as if they are being held over a fire and then put through a wringer. Like you I have been using Insulin for 33 years but my Hb1c is consistently around 5.4 and blood pressure 125/75. My diabetologist is supposedly one of the world’s best, but he doesn’t seem to know either. But to answer your question, given that you haven’t switched to Humalog I don’t think it can be the insulin. If you don’t use a pump it might be worthwhile giving bovine lente a shot. Some people report feeling much better after making the change, but perhaps Beavis or Willbill would care to comment. Merry Christmas Frank
I use both Humilin R (regular) and Humilin L (Lente) in mixed amounts three times daily: a.m. 18L and 12R, p.m. 15L and 15R, and before bed 8L. Do you think there may be a reaction to Humilin? Thanks for your reply, Steve * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find
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No one can say whether or not it is (even though some may try <g), even if you give it a try you can’t be sure either. You *could* go to animal and if the symptoms disappear (and don’t come back for some time) you could go back to human and see if they come back. Maybe then you could feel confident that this was the cause. As someone else noted, coincidences do happen. If you suspect this, you could switch, but if you are in the US this may be tough. You may still be able to find some Pork Lente and you could give Humalog a try for meal coverage. Beef insulin is not available in the US and requires special approvals and permits to import and is thus mighty expensive. — Marilyn Type 1 for 33 years, Minimed pumping for the last 11
I use both Humilin R (regular) and Humilin L (Lente) in mixed amounts three times daily: a.m. 18L and 12R, p.m. 15L and 15R, and before bed 8L. Do you think there may be a reaction to Humilin? Thanks for your reply, Steve * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find
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J, Thanks for your reply; it struck a chord with me. I keep thinking that the onset of the symptoms I am experiencing was so sudden that ity must be due to Lyme disease. I’ll continue to pursuing Lyme testing and see what happens. Regards, Steve * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful
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Ashley, Thanks for your reply. I’m glad to hear that you are using the pump. From all that I’ve heard its use has made a dramatic difference in people’s lives, especially those who have had difficulty in maintaining tight control. My current problem has appeared so suddenly that I think it must be due to another illness. Lyme disease still is my no. 1 suspect; it can be very hard to reveal. In your case I would recommend (in addition to good control) some alternative therapies. I like acupuncture alot as well as massage and streching exercises – yoga, which I haven’t tried, is suppose to be an extremely beneficial activity for diabetics who experience pain and stiffness. Also, some natural remedies like Noni juice, 5HTP (for sleeping), Bromelain, Chromium Piccolate, Magnesium, Potassium, and Calcium are recommended as well as B vitamins. Being a diabetic is a lot of work isn’t it? Best, Steve * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful
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I use both Humilin R (regular) and Humilin L (Lente) in mixed amounts three times daily: a.m. 18L and 12R, p.m. 15L and 15R, and before bed 8L. Do you think there may be a reaction to Humilin? Thanks for your reply, Steve * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful
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I too have joint pain, but mine is a result of dehydration when my diabetes is poorly controlled. It tends to happen more in the winter as I drink less water for cooling. I also get headachs as I "re-inflate" my blood volumn. I don’t know how common my experience is, but I worry that this indicates some weakness in the kidneys. <<A diabetic for thirty years, I have developed joint pains and aches which I believe are related to the wear and tear of diabetes. Other diseases such as gout, Lyme disease, Lupus or common forms of arthritis have been tested for and subsequently ruled out. Doctors vaguely ascribe the nature of my condition to a form of neuropathy but are not exactly sure. The pain symptoms can be severe and ‘migrate’ – that is, show up at various points: knees, shoulder, groin, wrist, etc. and then subside. However, wrist and hand pain has been constant and I am advised to get surgery for Carpal-tunnel syndrome. My question to you is: has anyone experienced similar symptoms and if so, is there any treatment for this condition or relief from the pain that it causes (other than heavy doses of Percoset opr codiene)?
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A diabetic for thirty years, I have developed joint pains and aches which I believe are related to the wear and tear of diabetes. Other diseases such as gout, Lyme disease, Lupus or common forms of arthritis have been tested for and subsequently ruled out. Doctors vaguely ascribe the nature of my condition to a form of neuropathy but are not exactly sure.
Steve, Back in September, I met a farmer in his 60’s who had obviously been severely whipped by an illness. Turns out that he had had Lyme disease. For some reason, no one could diagnose it. He even went to Mayo’s and they missed it. He would have continued to deteriorate if it hadn’t been that his son was a survivor of the disease, recognized the symptoms, and kept pushing him to different doctors. I was surprised. I thought that the dx was a straightforward lab test; apparently not. I know that if it isn’t treated in its early stages, it becomes "neuro-Lyme Disease" which may be harder to find. I pass this along in hopes that what happened to him doesn’t happen to someone else. Regards. J
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May I ask what sort of insulin you are using? Frank "…. However, wrist and hand pain has been constant and I am advised to get surgery for Carpal-tunnel syndrome. My question to you is: has anyone experienced similar symptoms and if so, is there any treatment for this condition or relief from the pain that it causes (other than heavy doses of Percoset opr codiene)? * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find
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I have been a diabetic in poor control for 14 years. Recently, I got the pimp, and am in wonderful control. I also battled anorexia. My joints ache as well as my ankles, knees, feet, etc. Everything else has been ruled out, so I guess it is from the wear and tear of diabetes. I also have neuropathy, but the joint pain is a different type of pain. Please e-mail me or respond here if you’d like to talk. This disease can be very frusterating, so support is important. Love, Ashley Essential Solutions http://www.angelfire.com/ar2/solutions
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A diabetic for thirty years, I have developed joint pains and aches which I believe are related to the wear and tear of diabetes. Other diseases such as gout, Lyme disease, Lupus or common forms of arthritis have been tested for and subsequently ruled out. Doctors vaguely ascribe the nature of my condition to a form of neuropathy but are not exactly sure. The pain symptoms can be severe and ‘migrate’ – that is, show up at various points: knees, shoulder, groin, wrist, etc. and then subside. However, wrist and hand pain has been constant and I am advised to get surgery for Carpal-tunnel syndrome. My question to you is: has anyone experienced similar symptoms and if so, is there any treatment for this condition or relief from the pain that it causes (other than heavy doses of Percoset opr codiene)? * Sent from AltaVista http://www.altavista.com Where you can also find related Web Pages, Images, Audios, Videos, News, and Shopping. Smart is Beautiful
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A diabetic for thirty years, I have developed joint pains and aches which I believe are related to the wear and tear of diabetes. Other diseases such as gout, Lyme disease, Lupus or common forms of arthritis have been tested for and subsequently ruled out. Doctors vaguely ascribe the nature of my condition to a form of neuropathy but are not exactly sure. The pain symptoms can be severe and ‘migrate’ – that is, show up at various points: knees, shoulder, groin, wrist, etc. and then subside. However, wrist and hand pain has been constant and I am advised to get surgery for Carpal-tunnel syndrome. My question to you is: has anyone experienced similar symptoms and if so, is there any treatment for this condition or relief from the pain that it causes (other than heavy doses of Percoset opr codiene)?
I’ve had similar migrating joint pain for at least 5 years; I was diagnosed with Type2 diabetes just about 2 years ago, and can trace the onset of symptoms back about 5 years previous. Like you, I’ve been tested for a bunch of different arthritis-like diseases, as well as hemochromatosis and Lyme disease, and all have been ruled out. Both my GP and my rheumatologist think there’s no relation with the diabetes, and I certainly don’t have any other symptoms of any kind of neuropathy; my blood glucose controls has been excellent for the past year and a half (once I got it brought down). None of the NSAIDs my rheumatologist had me try did any better than plain aspirin. And I don’t much like the idea of taking maintenance level doses of expensive drugs with scary side effects to treat sporadic, episodic pain, however acute. I’m beginning to suspect some kind of food sensitivity, however. Here’s why. About 3 months ago, in an effort to reduce my carb consumption, I stopped eating cereal for breakfast, and have switched to crackers with cream cheese and some kind of fish (usually whitefish salad, but sometimes lox). Almost immediately, my joint pains reduced in severity and the pain cycle for any one joint changed. It had been that once I felt a twinge in a joint, there would be a cycle of about 48 hours in which the pain ramped up and then subsided. With the change in diet, the pain cycle is reduced to c. 18 hours. With this change, I’ve greatly reduced dairy consumption; I still eat cream cheese, regular cheese, sour cream, and whipped cream in the quantities I did before, but I don’t drink any milk, not even in coffee. The cereal I’ve given up is an oat bran cereal, but I eat oat bran in other things. I don’t have a clue how to follow up on this in a sensible way. I’ve leafed through a few books in a bookstore, and they didn’t inspire confidence. Meanwhile, I’ve got less pain, and am consuming less aspirin. — Alice F posting from a new account
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