Lupus FAQ

Nasal Spray Addiction

admin — Tue, 13 Sep 2005 00:00:00 +0000

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sedum41 wrote: > I had racing heart and skipping heart beats when I took Sudafed PE pills > which also has Phenylephrine as an active ingredient. Quite scary to > experience! Probably should have gone to an ER but instead just waited for > it to run its course.

I once made the mistake of taking both Sudafed and a big swig of cough medicine that also had pseudoephedrine in it. So I ended up getting more than twice as much pseudoephedrine dose as you’re supposed to. Not only did I experience the tachycardia and palpitations you’re describing, but I also got chest pains (a sign that my heart wasn’t liking this) and the feeling of "ants crawling on my skin." Scariest night I ever had. — Steven D. Litvintchouk Email: sdlit…@earthlinkNOSPAM.net Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -augustwestern wrote: > wrote in message > news:1126629657.604072.30970@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com… >>I am hoping that someone may be able to provide an answer to my >>question: >>I have been using 4-Way Nasal Spray (Phenylephrine HCL 1%) daily for >>the last 12 years, as a stop gap solution for congestion (which I’ve >>had my entire life) >>I typically use this spray every fifteen minutes, six squirts each >>nostril, and use about four bottles per week. At this point, the >>congestion is obviously terrible. However, that is not my main concern: >>One year ago back on Sept 8, I started to have strange symptoms, >>actually had to go via ambulance to the hospital twice. The symptoms >>are severe tachycardia, skipped beats, severe onset of shortness of >>breath, numbness, tingling, vertigo. They all seemed to come out of >>know where. >>Since, I have had cardiology and pulmonary testing done, but there are >>no answers. The only two things that turned up were a positive ANA and >>elevated Cortisol levels (not autoimmune, no Lupus found). >>I was placed on Atenolol 50 mg for the Tachycardia, which is useless. >>My question is, can the 1% solution of Phenylephrine as found in most >>nasal sprays have caused these symptoms? The doctor says no, but surely >>abusing this stuff cannot be good. Any insight? >>PS: Is Rhinocort any good? >>Best, >>Bill > That is a huge overdosage of Phenylephrine. You’ll need to > taper off and this won’t be easy. Measure and dilute each new bottle you > open by another 10% with saline water and always do the same amount of > squirts (1 or 2) and keep track of exactly how many times a day you use the > spray. Increase the dilution of each new bottle you open by another 10% > until you need to throw away a measured amount of a new bottle in order to > keep increasing dilution. Decrease the frequency of squirts used each day > and keep track so you can always be slowly decreasing frequency.

There is now at least one product on the market, "Rhinostat," specifically designed to assist the process of tapering off nasal sprays: http://nasalspray.com/ I’ve never used it so I don’t know how well it works. But it indicates how common this problem is. — Steven D. Litvintchouk Email: sdlit…@earthlinkNOSPAM.net Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.

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On 13 Sep 2005 09:40:57 -0700, ryancin…@aol.com wrote: >My question is, can the 1% solution of Phenylephrine as found in most >nasal sprays have caused these symptoms?

Yes Phenylephrine has well-known cardiac side-effects. You do need to get off it. Steven’s posts are exactly correct. The tachycardia is not necessarily of enormous consequence, but anything to do with your heart is more important than other things. >PS: Is Rhinocort any good?

Yes but it alone is probably not enough to deal with the rebound congestion you are going to experience when you start to cut back on the Phenylephrine. You may need a short-course of gradually-decreasing prescribed oral steroids, under the supervision of an ENT, to tide you over when you start cutting back on the Phenylephrine. However, oral steroids should not casually be taken long term as they can have even worse side-effects than the Phenylephrine, so really you will have to plot your course carefully with the help of an ENT, as Steven suggests…..

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I had racing heart and skipping heart beats when I took Sudafed PE pills which also has Phenylephrine as an active ingredient. Quite scary to experience! Probably should have gone to an ER but instead just waited for it to run its course. Later found out I took the wrong dose 2 pills instead of 1 pill like the original Sudafed (Pseudoephedrine) dose. I called the makers of Sudafed and said their packaging was misleading (packed in groups of 2 if you can believe it). I think each person reacts differently to the various decongestants. I can’t believe that the doctor wouldn’t think this contributed to your symptoms. Just look at the package directions and see the warnings! I think the suggestions to do the withdrawal under an ENT’s care sound the most likely for success. Good luck!

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I am hoping that someone may be able to provide an answer to my question: I have been using 4-Way Nasal Spray (Phenylephrine HCL 1%) daily for the last 12 years, as a stop gap solution for congestion (which I’ve had my entire life) I typically use this spray every fifteen minutes, six squirts each nostril, and use about four bottles per week. At this point, the congestion is obviously terrible. However, that is not my main concern: One year ago back on Sept 8, I started to have strange symptoms, actually had to go via ambulance to the hospital twice. The symptoms are severe tachycardia, skipped beats, severe onset of shortness of breath, numbness, tingling, vertigo. They all seemed to come out of know where. Since, I have had cardiology and pulmonary testing done, but there are no answers. The only two things that turned up were a positive ANA and elevated Cortisol levels (not autoimmune, no Lupus found). I was placed on Atenolol 50 mg for the Tachycardia, which is useless. My question is, can the 1% solution of Phenylephrine as found in most nasal sprays have caused these symptoms? The doctor says no, but surely abusing this stuff cannot be good. Any insight? PS: Is Rhinocort any good? Best, Bill

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -ryancin…@aol.com wrote: > I am hoping that someone may be able to provide an answer to my > question: > I have been using 4-Way Nasal Spray (Phenylephrine HCL 1%) daily for > the last 12 years, as a stop gap solution for congestion (which I’ve > had my entire life) > I typically use this spray every fifteen minutes, six squirts each > nostril, and use about four bottles per week. At this point, the > congestion is obviously terrible. However, that is not my main concern: > One year ago back on Sept 8, I started to have strange symptoms, > actually had to go via ambulance to the hospital twice. The symptoms > are severe tachycardia, skipped beats, severe onset of shortness of > breath, numbness, tingling, vertigo. They all seemed to come out of > know where. > Since, I have had cardiology and pulmonary testing done, but there are > no answers. The only two things that turned up were a positive ANA and > elevated Cortisol levels (not autoimmune, no Lupus found). > I was placed on Atenolol 50 mg for the Tachycardia, which is useless. > My question is, can the 1% solution of Phenylephrine as found in most > nasal sprays have caused these symptoms?

Absolutely. Phenylephrine is a stimulant and a vasoconstrictor. With a large enough dose, some of it will get absorbed systemically into your bloodstream right thru your nose (just like snorting cocaine). And it may end up causing both tachycardia and constricting the blood vessels in your heart–which can be disastrous. The symptoms you’re describing fit the combination of overstimulation and vasoconstriction exactly. You’ll have to taper off the phenylephrine. I think you should consult a physician who knows about this problem–the medical name is "rhinitis medicamentosa." He can prescribe a combination of systemic steroids (Medrol) and steroid nasal sprays (e.g., Nasonex) to help you cope with the withdrawal symptom of congestion till your body adjusts. Without these prescription meds, you may not be able to kick the habit on your own–though you can try it and see. Once you’re off the phenylephrine, you should consult an ENT who can finally help cure your congestion so you won’t ever have to go back to phenylephrine anymore. — Steven D. Litvintchouk Email: sdlit…@earthlinkNOSPAM.net Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.

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news:1126629657.604072.30970@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I am hoping that someone may be able to provide an answer to my > question: > I have been using 4-Way Nasal Spray (Phenylephrine HCL 1%) daily for > the last 12 years, as a stop gap solution for congestion (which I’ve > had my entire life) > I typically use this spray every fifteen minutes, six squirts each > nostril, and use about four bottles per week. At this point, the > congestion is obviously terrible. However, that is not my main concern: > One year ago back on Sept 8, I started to have strange symptoms, > actually had to go via ambulance to the hospital twice. The symptoms > are severe tachycardia, skipped beats, severe onset of shortness of > breath, numbness, tingling, vertigo. They all seemed to come out of > know where. > Since, I have had cardiology and pulmonary testing done, but there are > no answers. The only two things that turned up were a positive ANA and > elevated Cortisol levels (not autoimmune, no Lupus found). > I was placed on Atenolol 50 mg for the Tachycardia, which is useless. > My question is, can the 1% solution of Phenylephrine as found in most > nasal sprays have caused these symptoms? The doctor says no, but surely > abusing this stuff cannot be good. Any insight? > PS: Is Rhinocort any good? > Best, > Bill

The Phenylephrine in 4-way is the obvious culprit and I’m really surprised your Dr didn’t know this. Phenylephrine can cause the exact same symptoms as overusing any stimulant, whether it is coffee or diet pills. 12 hr nose spray isn’t any better but the rebound happens a little quicker with Phenylephrine. I used 4-way for many years in the past, but never at 4 bottles a week. That is a huge overdosage of Phenylephrine. You’ll need to taper off and this won’t be easy. Measure and dilute each new bottle you open by another 10% with saline water and always do the same amount of squirts (1 or 2) and keep track of exactly how many times a day you use the spray. Increase the dilution of each new bottle you open by another 10% until you need to throw away a measured amount of a new bottle in order to keep increasing dilution. Decrease the frequency of squirts used each day and keep track so you can always be slowly decreasing frequency. After you get down to using .05% Phenylephrine or a twentyfold dilution and you are using only 1 squirt at a time, then try stopping entirely or alternating days. Then quit the Phenylephrine completely and don’t buy any more. You may need to use Sudafed for a few weeks while tapering off the Phenylephrine as the rebound will be severe. Also, start using a nasal steroid like Rhinacort or Flonase regularly. If you really stick with it, you can taper yourself off the Phenylephrine in 2-3 months. Suggest you monitor your blood pressure closely while using the Sudafed and see a good ENT to help you develop a better strategy for dealing with your congestion. Read the group FAQ and especially the section about saline nasal irrigation. Regular saline irrigation would be very helpful in getting your nose readjusted to life without Phenylephrine. good luck, AW ps-oral Phenylephrine tablets are now available but you really need a Dr’s advice if you are planning to switch from such a high dose of nasal spray to the tablets – especially considering the heart symptoms that you have already had.

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admin — Thu, 11 Aug 2005 00:00:00 +0000

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X-Posted to 5 groups! Dontcha love usenet? Bandwith wastage intended. _g

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White hair in young age

admin — Sun, 19 Jun 2005 00:00:00 +0000

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On 18 Jun 2005 23:32:24 -0700, "Ankur" wrote: >hello everyone … i have almost 10% of my hair turned into white hair >in age of 18 (4 yrs ago )…. i want to know what can cause it ….

It just happens in some people and is called alopecia areata. Let me guesss that you also have soe thinning of the hair also. It can also be caused by: * a hormonal imbalance (hypo or hyperthyroid or other) * diabetes * anemia * systemic lupus erythematosus (butterfly rash on face) * poisoning (X-rays, pesticides, lead, mercury) * thrush * kidney or liver problems >1.can sinus infection cause it . ( i mean common cold ) .. i always get >cold from my birth in cold season …

No >2. Can depression cause it ? 3-4 years ago i was very depressed due to >low marks in college exams .

Stress can cause it. >3. can leaver problem ( digestion problem ) cause it … a friend of >mine told me that leaver ( i dont know how to spell it exactly but its >something we have in our body to digest food ) .. problem cause it ….

Liver problems can cause it.

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I have a stepsister that got white hair at 16 years old. This was inherited as her Mother had the same problem at a young age too. She has 4 sisters and none of them inherited it. As she is older now, her MD told her she has a high Mercury count. She had to replace the Amalg (silver) fillings in her teeth. shirley

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hello everyone … i have almost 10% of my hair turned into white hair in age of 18 (4 yrs ago )…. i want to know what can cause it …. 1.can sinus infection cause it . ( i mean common cold ) .. i always get cold from my birth in cold season … 2. Can depression cause it ? 3-4 years ago i was very depressed due to low marks in college exams . 3. can leaver problem ( digestion problem ) cause it … a friend of mine told me that leaver ( i dont know how to spell it exactly but its something we have in our body to digest food ) .. problem cause it …. also i am feeling throat irritation at my right side of throat … when i try to excell a white color puss ( fluid that usually comes out of nose ) comes out .. why it is falling in my throat .. ?? can it be due to medicines that i am taking is drying my nose ? .. Thanks Ankur

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"The lady said …"

admin — Thu, 02 Jun 2005 00:00:00 +0000

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A social worker friend of mine was warned about his language by his (gay) superiors. During a conversation about a female client he had used the phrase "The lady said …" Such language is NOT acceptable! A note about his lack of respect for women has been entered into his file. Eventually people will realise that the gay agenda to mould the way we speak is in our best interests.

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Now Playing on "Judge Hatchett"… Mother brings her 12 year old daughter to court because her daughter is having cybersex with 25 men a day on the internet. A few of the men call the house. Daughter flashes the men on the webcam. Men can repost her picture all over the world. "SpectraSoft"…software to track this girls’ surfing habits. So now they are showing her chat encounters on a big courtroom TV screen, expletives deleted. Now the daughter is going to meet one of the men face to face in the courtroom. The judge and the mother are VERY worried about abductions.

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"Cymbal Man Freq." wrote in message news:cOFne.1032$g5.782@twister.nyroc.rr.com… > Now Playing on "Judge Hatchett"… > Mother brings her 12 year old daughter to court because her daughter is having > cybersex with 25 men a day on the internet. A few of the men call the house. > Daughter flashes the men on the webcam. Men can repost her picture all over the > world. > "SpectraSoft"…software to track this girls’ surfing habits. So now they are > showing her chat encounters on a big courtroom TV screen, expletives deleted. > Now the daughter is going to meet one of the men face to face in the courtroom. > The judge and the mother are VERY worried about abductions.

Turns out the daughter took a field trip to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, and the man she met (who had almost the same exact chat screen name as my nephew!) was a big burly convict-looking New York City Cop. The Judge is going to send the daughter to counseling and order her to perform community service … and give her a hug.

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http://www.wixt9.com/news/world/story.aspx?content_id=BD60787F-3DA1-4… Munch masterpieces ‘The Scream’ and "Madonna." Last Update: 6/1/2005 3:24:15 PM OSLO, Norway (AP) – The city of Oslo is offering a 310-thousand-dollar reward for the return of the stolen Edvard Munch paintings "The Scream" and "Madonna." The two were snatched by gunmen in a heist at the city-owned Munch Museum in August. Four people have been arrested in the case but the paintings haven’t been recovered. And officials say their offer is a simple "exchange of paintings for money." Police have rejected reports that the thieves destroyed the paintings because they feared police were closing in and did not want to be caught with the evidence. Experts say both paintings are too well known for the thieves to be able to sell them.

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"Cymbal Man Freq." wrote in message news:x6Gne.2279$fp6.146@twister.nyroc.rr.com… http://www.wixt9.com/news/world/story.aspx?content_id=BD60787F-3DA1-4… > Munch masterpieces ‘The Scream’ and "Madonna." > Last Update: 6/1/2005 3:24:15 PM > OSLO, Norway (AP) – The city of Oslo is offering a 310-thousand-dollar reward > for the return of the stolen Edvard Munch paintings "The Scream" and

"Madonna." there are multiple copies of "The Scream". i believe he painted two. i swear this is the second or third time it’s been stolen. once in the mid 90’s. once in 2001 or so. i do like it though. i believe it’s Norweigan, and Expressionist style. m.

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"gravity" wrote in message

news:429f50ae_1@x-privat.org… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Cymbal Man Freq." wrote in > message news:x6Gne.2279$fp6.146@twister.nyroc.rr.com… > http://www.wixt9.com/news/world/story.aspx?content_id=BD60787F-3DA1-4… >> Munch masterpieces ‘The Scream’ and "Madonna." >> Last Update: 6/1/2005 3:24:15 PM >> OSLO, Norway (AP) – The city of Oslo is offering a 310-thousand-dollar > reward >> for the return of the stolen Edvard Munch paintings "The Scream" and > "Madonna." > there are multiple copies of "The Scream". i believe he painted two. i > swear this is the second or third time it’s been stolen. once in the mid > 90’s. once in 2001 or so. > i do like it though. i believe it’s Norweigan, and Expressionist style. > m.

a friend of mine had a pet threory about that picture. he said it was about abortion. i met a girl once with a pet theory about star wars. she said that luke skywalker was a sperm in his x-wing fighter and the death-star was an egg and when it blew up that was the creation of a new life! she was a nice girl, had lupus. that’s all i remember about her. i read up on lupus and it sounds horrible. — kes

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Viewers of Internet molestation to be charged ————————————————————————— —– Men offered suggestions as girl was being abused By DAN HERBECK News Staff Reporter 6/3/2005 Federal authorities are expected to file charges against men from other states and countries for their role in the sexual abuse of a 9-year-old girl in Jamestown, New York. A Jamestown man already pleaded guilty to state charges in the case and is trying to work out a federal plea deal that would send him to federal prison for 18 years. But the men elsewhere who were watching the abuse live on the Internet – and sending instant messages offering encouragement and suggestions – are now the targets of the federal probe. "This investigation is now worldwide in scope, and we’re putting a lot of resources into determining who else might have been involved," added Special Agent Paul M. Moskal, spokesman for the Buffalo FBI office. "This is the first time anything like this has been uncovered in Western New York. Essentially, we have a case of interactive molestation of a young girl," Assistant U.S. Attorney Martin J. Littlefield said. "They’ve taken this kind of crime up to a new level . . . It’s outrageous." In this case, Littlefield said, it is important to note that a concerned member of the victim’s family told Jamestown police they believed James F. Lindgren Sr. might be molesting the girl. "Jamestown police quickly brought the FBI into the case, and they were able to bring this to a stop," Littlefield said. "It’s a good thing someone came forward with the information." Lindgren, 55, appeared before District Judge Richard J. Arcara in an attempt to enter a guilty plea late Thursday, but the judge objected to some of the language of the agreement and ordered attorneys to make changes.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 18:59:30 GMT, "Cymbal Man Freq." wrote: >Viewers of Internet molestation to be charged >————————————————————————– —— >Men offered suggestions as girl was being abused >By DAN HERBECK >News Staff Reporter >6/3/2005 > Federal authorities are expected to file charges against men from other states >and countries for their role in the sexual abuse of a 9-year-old girl in >Jamestown, New York. >A Jamestown man already pleaded guilty to state charges in the case and is >trying to work out a federal plea deal that would send him to federal prison for >18 years. >But the men elsewhere who were watching the abuse live on the Internet – and >sending instant messages offering encouragement and suggestions – are now the >targets of the federal probe.

Fucking sicko bastards, they should be in solitary till they die..

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Stem cells: Rather than discard them, let them help humankind

admin — Thu, 26 May 2005 00:00:00 +0000

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————————————————————————— —– Published May 26, 2005 There is a good chance that legislation to lift President Bush’s restrictions on embryonic stem cell research will pass the Senate, as it did in the House on Tuesday. There is an even better chance that Bush will veto the legislation. The president’s ardent pro-life position on stem cell research is understandable – but misguided. The reality is that the fate of thousands of existing frozen embryos will be destruction. That’s right; an estimated 8,000 embryos a year are discarded as medical waste. Some may be "adopted" by infertile couples and become candidates for so-called "snowflake babies", a reference to frozen embryos. But the fact remains that many more fertilized human eggs are thrown away. These are the embryos that many people, including ardent pro-life lawmakers in Congress, want to save. Why? Because the embryos themselves have the potential to be pro-life. They hold great potential for researchers seeking cures and treatment for a host of debilitating diseases. It is true that these embryonic stem cells must be destroyed as part of the research. It is also true that their destruction offers hope, and life, to millions of people. It is no wonder, then, that a Republican-controlled House, so solidly behind President Bush on most issues, has chosen to break with the president on this particular issue. Bipartisan groups of U.S. senators and representatives have implored the president to relent. He show no signs of doing so. Passage of this House-passed, bipartisan legislation would not affect embryo adoptions. People could still do so. But it would give embryo donors the option of donating the fertilized eggs for scientific research, as opposed to having them thrown out. If the embryos are to be destroyed in any event, logic dictates that they be used for the good of humankind and not flushed away. Many people in both major political parties have reached that conclusion. Perhaps the president will, too. — Gardening Zones Canada Zone 5a United States Zone 3a Near Ottawa, Ontario

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jim that was good news as well as cowboys…… i can’t seem to grasp bushes out look on stem cell reacrh…. because he has a brother with a seriouse autoimmune disorder that has been shown on the cover of the ilieitis ( crohn’s disease) and ulcerative colites foundation pamplet…. dang i can’t spell for crap and can’t see for crap…. i have two sons, brother, and grandkids that have crohns disease…. they get very ill during relaspe. my sons have lost due to surgery half their intestines….. and my youngest 3 year old grandson goes thru awful tummy pain during relaspe as well as my other loved ones…. it’s awful… it’s like ms relaspe and remitting and then progressive….. it never stops even when you feel ok. ms, lupus, r.a and crohns are very related or are the same attacking our brains, joints, connective tissue and what ever else…. when there is a new med for ms they try it on the other autoimmuine disorders that i mentioned… i so hope and pray science will find and answer to this problem…… i worry about bush… is he a relgiouse fanatic that can’t seperate church from state. all i know is he must do what ever he has to do to stay sober and a addiction to drugs or alcohol is progressive even if you stop. it is also relasping and remitting for many…. if you are sober for 20 years or more and relaspe it will be like you’ve been using all that time…. as i understand it from others with that problem in aa or na "um" just pondering or rambling…. sorry but i can’t even see spell check so your on your own here…. dory

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On Thu, 26 May 2005 20:44:37 -0700, QQ…@webtv.net wrote in alt.support.mult-sclerosis: >i can’t seem to grasp >bushes out look on stem cell

Bush has a committee to advise him on these matters, the President cannot be an expert on everything. Perhaps that committee is giving wrong advice. There are other possibilities, some not nice to contemplate, some reasons showing ignorance and others a genuine feeling that it is wrong. Who knows? — Gardening Zones Canada Zone 5a United States Zone 3a Near Ottawa, Ontario

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On 2005-05-27 21:26:09 -0400, Jim Carter said: > On Thu, 26 May 2005 20:44:37 -0700, QQ…@webtv.net wrote in > alt.support.mult-sclerosis: >> i can’t seem to grasp >> bushes out look on stem cell > Bush has a committee to advise him on these matters, the > President cannot be an expert on everything. Perhaps that > committee is giving wrong advice. > There are other possibilities, some not nice to contemplate, some > reasons showing ignorance and others a genuine feeling that it is > wrong. > Who knows?

I think you mean that you do not agree with the President’s committee. This is a very tricky issue and a lot of people would rather see embryos wasted instead of used for research. I personally would rather see the research funded but I don’t think that "a genuine feeling" is wrong. — Phan

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Jim, while I respect many who have an opinion and, right or wrong, stick to their guns I have the ‘utmost’ respect for a man who can say "I don’t know". Who can get into a man’s mind and know exactly what prompts his thoughts and actions? Thanks, Tick — — Re: Stem cells: Rather than discard them, let them help humankind Group: alt.support.mult-sclerosis Date: Fri, May 27, 2005, 9:26pm (CDT+1) From: spamf…@sentex.ca (Jim

The Official Lady Veteran FAQ (Bobbi Sanchez)

admin — Mon, 21 Mar 2005 00:00:00 +0000

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The Official Lady Veteran FAQ v0.91 1. What is Lady Veteran’s real name? 2. What does Lady Veteran look like? 3. Are Lady Veteran’s teeth really that brown? 4. Lady Veteran will claim that picture was altered. What say you? 5. Did Lady Veteran have her car repossed? 6. Is Lady Veteran really a serial beggar? 7. Does Lady Veteran use pay day loans? 8. What is Lady Veteran’s height and weight? 9. What is Lady Veteran built like? 10. Is Lady Veteran a lesbian? 11. Does Lady Veteran have her own newsgroups? 12. Does Lady Veteran really live in a cheap, extended stay motel? 13. Does Lady Veteran take things to real life with people who disagree with her? 14. Was Lady Veteran turned down recently to foster chihauhaus? 15. Is Lady Veteran so broke that she could not fix her computer for over 3 months when it crashed? 16. Is Lady Veteran really diseased? 17. Why was Lady Veteran kicked out of the Army? 18. Is Lady Veteran a racist? 19. Where does Lady Veteran work? 20. How can I get in contact with Lady Veteran? 1. What is Lady Veteran’s real name? Bobbi Sanchez 2. What does Lady Veteran look like? http://fatreality.netfirms.com/blobbi.htm 3. Are Lady Veteran’s teeth really that brown? Yes. 4. Lady Veteran will claim that picture was altered. What say you? LV will claim that the picture was altered, but only the name tag was added. LV used to have the original picture posted on her personal web site at http://profiles.yahoo.com/lady_veteran . It was taken down after a the picture to avoid further embarrassment. 5. Did Lady Veteran have her car repossed? 6. Is Lady Veteran really a serial beggar? she also posted a message on NAAFA’s web board and created a Geocities web site for the sole purpose of begging for money for her war on trolls. 7. Does Lady Veteran use pay day loans? 8. What is Lady Veteran’s height and weight? 5′ 6 1/2", 240 pounds. 9. What is Lady Veteran built like? Like a wrestler, according to LV herself. 10. Is Lady Veteran a lesbian? Apart from her unfeminine looks and Usenet behavior, LV admits to wearing 11. Does Lady Veteran have her own newsgroups? Yes. alt.blobbi.veteran-cunt alt.fan.boar-semen.blobbi-sanchez alt.fan.boar-semen.blobbi-sanchez.aka alt.fan.boar-semen.blobbi-sanchez.aka.aka.lady-veteran 12. Does Lady Veteran really live in a cheap, extended stay motel? Yes. Note her personal profile posted at http://www.bestjobsus.com/bt-empd-armyvet.htm . This address is for the Budget Suites of America. 13. Does Lady Veteran take things to real life with people who disagree with her? Yes. As financially distressed as she is, LV paid a private investigator $500 to track down a 20 year old Canadian named Marty who was besting her with their every encounter. LV later took things to real life with Jim Dutton and contacted his employer. LV’s mission is to take things to real life with anyone who disagrees with her, assuming she can track the person down. 14. Was Lady Veteran turned down recently to foster chihauhaus? Yes, because her home was not a suitable environment according to the rescue organization. 15. Is Lady Veteran so broke that she could not fix her computer for over 3 months when it crashed? 16. Is Lady Veteran really diseased? Yes. She suffers from lupus and boils. LV probably has some co-morbidities associated with obesity as well. 17. Why was Lady Veteran kicked out of the Army? Speculation surrounds her lesbianism. 18. Is Lady Veteran a racist? : The lower half of 1 black man is worth 10 complete white men. When I fuck I like MEN, not little sissyboys that have to talk from behind their mommy’s skirt. I lova da bothas:-)

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The Official Lady Veteran FAQ v0.91

I must admit to being a little curious….. How did the whole Lady Veteran-Boar Semen thing start anyway? Why boars especially and not some other animal? Was there something/some kind of incident going back to the beginning of the group? Is there’s still anybody out there who’s been part of the group for a few years…..

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Bean paste curbs obesity, study finds Want to stay healthy? Then stick to a traditional Korean diet with plenty of "doenjang," fermented soy bean paste. That’s what a study by professor Park Gyun-young of Busan University found. He has scientific evidence to back the time-old belief that Korean traditional bean paste prevents obesity, and discovered that the soy bean paste has much stronger antiobesity properties than "gochujang," red pepper paste. The researchers put two groups of mice on a high-fat diet for a month, feeding one group of mice with an additional 10 percent of bean paste. Mice fed bean paste put on an average 246.6 grams while the others recorded a 287.4-gram weight increase. "While the main ingredient of doenjang, soy bean, is being fermented and dissolved into amino acids, it seems to boost the antiobesity effect," Park said. "If we look into its mechanism further, it could be used in medicines." While reinforcing a long-held belief on the nation’s condiments, the study also discovered that the obesity-fighting effect varies – it is the strongest in doenjang, then ssamjang (a mix of doenjang and gochujang), and weakest in gochujang.

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States consider obesity surgery coverage NOREEN GILLESPIE Associated Press HARTFORD, Conn. – A proposal before Connecticut lawmakers would require insurance companies to cover the surgery for people with a body-mass index of 30 or more if a doctor deems the surgery medically necessary. The BMI is a widely used formula based on height and weight. The Connecticut proposal may not get off the ground this session because lawmakers are struggling to define under what medical conditions the surgery should be covered, said Sen. Joseph Crisco, a Woodbridge Democrat who chairs the legislative committee looking at the issue. The debate is not unlike others across the country. Georgia lawmakers are considering a similar bill this year. And in Louisiana, 40 state employees were chosen last year from 1,200 applications to get the surgery on the state’s dime. The standard surgery, which can cost between $20,000 and $35,000, involves using staples to separate a small pouch at the stomach’s top from the rest of the stomach, greatly limiting the amount of food that can be eaten. The procedure also involves bypassing much of the small intestine so that less food is absorbed into the body. Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Alabama recently stopped paying for the operations while it decides how to handle claims; Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Florida has also decided to stop paying for the operation. In Connecticut, many major plans offer coverage only for large numbers of employees. Others are considering offering the coverage for an additional charge. "What we’re starting to see is an increase in what we would consider at best, unnecessary, and at worst, unsafe, surgery," said Keith Stover, a lobbyist for the Connecticut Association of Health Plans. "Many plans decide the best course of action simply is to exclude coverage." But many physicians say the long-term benefits of weight loss surgery outweigh the risk. Gastric bypass surgery can help cure obesity-related health problems such as high cholesterol, high blood pressure, sleep apnea and even diabetes, said Dr. Jonathan Aranow, director of the Middlesex Hospital Center for Obesity Surgery. It can also cut down on the long-term cost of medications, he said. "The surgery pays for itself in under three years," he said. "There is no question that there are cost savings." Last year the federal government opened the door for Medicare coverage of gastric bypass surgery. But some lawmakers and insurers are also worried about risks. State Rep. Anthony D’Amelio, R-Waterbury, said noted two people in his district died after having the operation. Complications strike as many as 1 in 5 patients having the surgery, and it is believed that for every 200 patients, 1 to 4 will die. Estimates are that more than 100,000 people will have the surgery this year. "I would rather see people try to do it the harder way, exercise and eating properly," D’Amelio said. "I know it’s a struggle … I think it’s the safest route." But for some patients, the hard way hasn’t worked. Deborah Sicaras, 36, of Wethersfield, has tried Weight Watchers, Jenny Craig, diet pills and liquid diets; she also teaches ballet, tap and jazz four days a week. "I’m one of the fortunate ones who will be able to have this surgery in the very near future," she said. "I can’t do this by myself. I need assistance. I’ve dieted my whole life."

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These are mutant mice. My other questions: Did they add an additional 10% of calories? Exactly what does "10 percent" mean? 10 percent of what? Volume? Calories? — Bob in CT

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Bean paste curbs obesity, study finds Want to stay healthy? Then stick to a traditional Korean diet with plenty of "doenjang," fermented soy bean paste. That’s what a study by professor Park Gyun-young of Busan University found. He has scientific evidence to back the time-old belief that Korean traditional bean paste prevents obesity, and discovered that the soy bean paste has much stronger antiobesity properties than "gochujang," red pepper paste. The researchers put two groups of mice on a high-fat diet for a month, feeding one group of mice with an additional 10 percent of bean paste. Mice fed bean paste put on an average 246.6 grams while the others recorded a 287.4-gram weight increase. I never heard of a mouse that weighs more than 246 grams. These are mutant mice. My other questions: Did they add an additional 10% of calories? Exactly what does "10 percent" mean? 10 percent of what? Volume? Calories? My recollections of mice are years old, but, I think, they weigh many times less than 246 grams, an amount that those mice "put on" on average, according to the report. According to http://www.rmca.org/Articles/cagesize.htm, average weight of a mouse is 25 grams. I have hard times believing that any sort of "mutant mice" would be able to GAIN 10 times more the weight of an average mouse. Perhaps you were kidding and I did not get the joke, in which case I apologize.

Sorry, I meant to put ";-)" after "These are mutant mice." So, I was kidding. Most of these studies are pure BS and used to further someone’s position. (Any bets as to who paid for this study?) — Bob in CT

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Mickey! Sorry, I just had to ;-0 — Dr. Dickie Skepticult member in good standing #394-00596-438 Poking kooks with a pointy stick. "The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not ‘Eureka!’ (‘I found it!’), but rather ‘hmm….that’s funny…’" – Isaac Asimov

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You are right of course, typical mouse is around 20-30 g at maturity. Perhaps the term "mice" refers to a group of 10! — Dr. Dickie Skepticult member in good standing #394-00596-438 Poking kooks with a pointy stick. "The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not ‘Eureka!’ (‘I found it!’), but rather ‘hmm….that’s funny…’" – Isaac Asimov

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| Bean paste curbs obesity, study finds | | | Want to stay healthy? Then stick to a traditional Korean diet with | plenty of "doenjang," fermented soy bean paste. | That’s what a study by professor Park Gyun-young of Busan University | found. He has scientific evidence to back the time-old belief that | Korean traditional bean paste prevents obesity, and discovered that the | soy bean paste has much stronger antiobesity properties than | "gochujang," red pepper paste. | | The researchers put two groups of mice on a high-fat diet for a month, | feeding one group of mice with an additional 10 percent of bean paste. | Mice fed bean paste put on an average 246.6 grams while the others | recorded a 287.4-gram weight increase. | |I never heard of a mouse that weighs more than 246 grams. Mighty Mouse?? Cheers Alan, T2, Australia. — Everything in Moderation – Except Laughter.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – | Bean paste curbs obesity, study finds | | | Want to stay healthy? Then stick to a traditional Korean diet with | plenty of "doenjang," fermented soy bean paste. | That’s what a study by professor Park Gyun-young of Busan University | found. He has scientific evidence to back the time-old belief that | Korean traditional bean paste prevents obesity, and discovered that the | soy bean paste has much stronger antiobesity properties than | "gochujang," red pepper paste. | | The researchers put two groups of mice on a high-fat diet for a month, | feeding one group of mice with an additional 10 percent of bean paste. | Mice fed bean paste put on an average 246.6 grams while the others | recorded a 287.4-gram weight increase. | |I never heard of a mouse that weighs more than 246 grams. Mighty Mouse?? Cheers Alan, T2, Australia.

Naahhh, Mighty Mouse was normal sized, just super strong. He was my hero as a kid, him and Cecil the seasick sea serpent Dayum, that takes me back. — Dr. Dickie Skepticult member in good standing #394-00596-438 Poking kooks with a pointy stick. "The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new discoveries, is not ‘Eureka!’ (‘I found it!’), but rather ‘hmm….that’s funny…’" – Isaac Asimov

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2. What does Lady Veteran look like? http://fatreality.netfirms.com/blobbi.htm

Aaaarrgh ! Take it away !

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Why boars especially and not some other animal?

Perhaps because her posts are so boring.

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The Official Lady Veteran FAQ (Bobbi Sanchez)

admin — Wed, 23 Feb 2005 00:00:00 +0000

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – The Official Lady Veteran FAQ v0.91 1. What is Lady Veteran’s real name? 2. What does Lady Veteran look like? 3. Are Lady Veteran’s teeth really that brown? 4. Lady Veteran will claim that picture was altered. What say you? 5. Did Lady Veteran have her car repossed? 6. Is Lady Veteran really a serial beggar? 7. Does Lady Veteran use pay day loans? 8. What is Lady Veteran’s height and weight? 9. What is Lady Veteran built like? 10. Is Lady Veteran a lesbian? 11. Does Lady Veteran have her own newsgroups? 12. Does Lady Veteran really live in a cheap, extended stay motel? 13. Does Lady Veteran take things to real life with people who disagree with her? 14. Was Lady Veteran turned down recently to foster chihauhaus? 15. Is Lady Veteran so broke that she could not fix her computer for over 3 months when it crashed? 16. Is Lady Veteran really diseased? 17. Why was Lady Veteran kicked out of the Army? 18. Is Lady Veteran a racist? 19. Where does Lady Veteran work? 20. How can I get in contact with Lady Veteran? 1. What is Lady Veteran’s real name? Bobbi Sanchez 2. What does Lady Veteran look like? http://fatreality.netfirms.com/blobbi.htm 3. Are Lady Veteran’s teeth really that brown? Yes. 4. Lady Veteran will claim that picture was altered. What say you? LV will claim that the picture was altered, but only the name tag was added. LV used to have the original picture posted on her personal web site at http://profiles.yahoo.com/lady_veteran . It was taken down after a the picture to avoid further embarrassment. 5. Did Lady Veteran have her car repossed? 6. Is Lady Veteran really a serial beggar? she also posted a message on NAAFA’s web board and created a Geocities web site for the sole purpose of begging for money for her war on trolls. 7. Does Lady Veteran use pay day loans? 8. What is Lady Veteran’s height and weight? 5′ 6 1/2", 240 pounds. 9. What is Lady Veteran built like? Like a wrestler, according to LV herself. 10. Is Lady Veteran a lesbian? Apart from her unfeminine looks and Usenet behavior, LV admits to wearing 11. Does Lady Veteran have her own newsgroups? Yes. alt.blobbi.veteran-cunt alt.fan.boar-semen.blobbi-sanchez alt.fan.boar-semen.blobbi-sanchez.aka alt.fan.boar-semen.blobbi-sanchez.aka.aka.lady-veteran 12. Does Lady Veteran really live in a cheap, extended stay motel? Yes. Note her personal profile posted at http://www.bestjobsus.com/bt-empd-armyvet.htm . This address is for the Budget Suites of America. 13. Does Lady Veteran take things to real life with people who disagree with her? Yes. As financially distressed as she is, LV paid a private investigator $500 to track down a 20 year old Canadian named Marty who was besting her with their every encounter. LV later took things to real life with Jim Dutton and contacted his employer. LV’s mission is to take things to real life with anyone who disagrees with her, assuming she can track the person down. 14. Was Lady Veteran turned down recently to foster chihauhaus? Yes, because her home was not a suitable environment according to the rescue organization. 15. Is Lady Veteran so broke that she could not fix her computer for over 3 months when it crashed? 16. Is Lady Veteran really diseased? Yes. She suffers from lupus and boils. LV probably has some co-morbidities associated with obesity as well. 17. Why was Lady Veteran kicked out of the Army? Speculation surrounds her lesbianism. 18. Is Lady Veteran a racist? : The lower half of 1 black man is worth 10 complete white men. When I fuck I like MEN, not little sissyboys that have to talk from behind their mommy’s skirt. I lova da bothas:-)

Fat women have a right to live and be happy too, you know!

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women have a right to live LOL WOMEN ARE STUPID AND SHOULD ONLY BE USED TO SEX

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Mega-vitamin therapy

admin — Mon, 14 Feb 2005 00:00:00 +0000

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I have a slight cold (slight headache, high temperature, sore throat and dizziness — my pharmacist agreed that this sounds like a cold), and am wondering about using mega-vitamin therapy (large doses — I think it needs about 1g per day — of Vitamin C) to deal with it. However, today I started a new tub of test strips, and one thing which Bayer says might cause false results is the presence in the bloodstream of unusually high concentrations of Vitamin C (ascorbic acid). I’m wondering if it’s alright to take up mega-vitamin therapy, or would this push the ascorbic acid concentration high enough to cause false readings?

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If you’re at all concerned that you might not be getting enough vitamins, go with a good one-a-day vitamin-mineral supplement. Unless you have a known deficiency in something, you shouldn’t need anything else. My favourite quotation about colds: "A cold will last a week if you treat it, and seven days if you don’t". Wish I could remember where I heard it, it deserves to have a proper attribution. I agree with Bernard. I *always* treat a cold with neat whisky. I still have the cold for a week, but, with careful dosages, I don’t care how I feel! ;-S Maggie — Life is a sexually transmitted disease and the mortality rate is one hundred percent. – RD Laing

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As a diabetic your immune system is malfunctioning as it is.

Type 2 isn’t an auto-immune disease… AFAIK there’s nothing wrong with *my* immune system.

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As a diabetic your immune system is malfunctioning as it is. Type 2 isn’t an auto-immune disease…

I think it is – or at least one that is caused by / causes a bunch of inflammation, which your immune system can’t cope with. Nicky. — A1c 10.5/4.5/<6 Weight 95/78/72Kg 1g Metformin, 87.5ug Thyroxine T2 DX 05/2004

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— Join us in the Diabetic-Talk Chatroom on UnderNet /server irc.undernet.org — /join #Diabetic-Talk More info: http://www.diabetic-talk.org/ I have no medical qualifications beyond my own experience. Choose your advisers carefully, because experience can be an expensive teacher.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – I have a slight cold (slight headache, high temperature, sore throat and dizziness — my pharmacist agreed that this sounds like a cold), and am wondering about using mega-vitamin therapy (large doses — I think it needs about 1g per day — of Vitamin C) to deal with it. However, today I started a new tub of test strips, and one thing which Bayer says might cause false results is the presence in the bloodstream of unusually high concentrations of Vitamin C (ascorbic acid). I’m wondering if it’s alright to take up mega-vitamin therapy, or would this push the ascorbic acid concentration high enough to cause false readings?

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The vitamins won’t do anything for the cold and might screw up the tests. Have stiff drink instead. It won’t help the cold either, but you might feel a little better for a while. — Bernard Peek London, UK. DBA, Manager, Trainer & Author.

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As a diabetic your immune system is malfunctioning as it is. Type 2 isn’t an auto-immune disease… AFAIK there’s nothing wrong with *my* immune system.

But can lead to a poor immune system. I have also noticed there seems to be a higher incidence of people with type 2 who also have autoimmune diseases such as MS, psoriasis, Hashimotos, lupus etc.

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| As a diabetic your immune system is malfunctioning as it is. | |Type 2 isn’t an auto-immune disease… | |AFAIK there’s nothing wrong with *my* immune system. Had your immunoglobulins tested lately? IgA, IgM, IgG? Cheers, Alan

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Random Swelling Of Side of Face

admin — Thu, 13 Jan 2005 00:00:00 +0000

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Hi All – I am posting for a friend of mine because you are all a knowledgable bunch. She is having this strange swelling of the side of her face, around her jaw line and sometimes up into her cheek. I looks like a tennis ball in the side of her face where the jaw line meets the neck, and the cheek area will also look swollen. The swelling lasts for about a day or two and is random in when it occurs. They thought it might be allergies — it happens right after she eats, but there is no consistency in which food makes it happen — she can be fine eating it one time and not the next. The only constant is that it always happens immediately after eating. I was thinking something with the salivary glands. I know some of you have Sjoners (spell?) — does that happen to any of you? Just thought I would ask. Thanks!!! Stephanie

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"Velma Crain" wrote in message > Stephanie, > I would definitely have your friend check into Sjogrens Syndrome. One > of the symptoms is swollen salivary glands. I have Sjogrens and recently > had an infection in my salivary gland that caused my ear to swell shut (I > couldnt hear) the pain was intense. I had had many other symptoms in the > past but this was the one that finally caused my DR to say yup you have > Sjogrens!! I was given an antibiotic and lived on Motrin for a few days!! > Frankie

Ditto on what Frankie has said. Sjogrens comes as a first dx in my mind too as I have had the salivary gland problem (blocked and inflamed which worsens with aggravation; ie: eating) with my dx of sjogrens, which is secondary to lupus along with raynauds. Wishing good luck to her, hugs, Shelagh

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Thanks for the info — I thought Sjogrens as well when I heard it. I don’t have that, so I wanted to opinions of people who have experienced symptoms from it. Thanks for the info! I will pass it on… Steph "Shelagh" wrote in message

news:XTgGd.86654$8l.22640@pd7tw1no… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Velma Crain" wrote in message >> Stephanie, >> I would definitely have your friend check into Sjogrens Syndrome. >> One of the symptoms is swollen salivary glands. I have Sjogrens and >> recently had an infection in my salivary gland that caused my ear to >> swell shut (I couldnt hear) the pain was intense. I had had many other >> symptoms in the past but this was the one that finally caused my DR to >> say yup you have Sjogrens!! I was given an antibiotic and lived on >> Motrin for a few days!! >> Frankie > Ditto on what Frankie has said. > Sjogrens comes as a first dx in my mind too as I have had the salivary > gland problem (blocked and inflamed which worsens with aggravation; ie: > eating) with my dx of sjogrens, which is secondary to lupus along with > raynauds. > Wishing good luck to her, > hugs, Shelagh

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In article <7fOdnVxec5C7uHrcRVn…@comcast.com>, Stephanie Townsend wrote >Hi All – >I am posting for a friend of mine because you are all a knowledgable bunch. >She is having this strange swelling of the side of her face, around her jaw >line and sometimes up into her cheek. I looks like a tennis ball in the side >of her face where the jaw line meets the neck, and the cheek area will also >look swollen. The swelling lasts for about a day or two and is random in >when it occurs. They thought it might be allergies — it happens right after >she eats, but there is no consistency in which food makes it happen — she >can be fine eating it one time and not the next. The only constant is that >it always happens immediately after eating. I was thinking something with >the salivary glands. I know some of you have Sjoners (spell?)

Sjogrens – with two dots above the o if you’re being posh > — does that >happen to any of you? Just thought I would ask.

Yes it does. One cause is constriction of the tube that delivers the saliva from the gland (you have 4 glands I think, or maybe its 6) into the mouth. When saliva is produced it can’t get out, so the gland swells. Another is inflammation of the gland. — Andy Taylor [Chair, N E Lupus Group] See http://www.northeastlupus.org.uk for more!

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Stephanie, I would definitely have your friend check into Sjogrens Syndrome. One of the symptoms is swollen salivary glands. I have Sjogrens and recently had an infection in my salivary gland that caused my ear to swell shut (I couldnt hear) the pain was intense. I had had many other symptoms in the past but this was the one that finally caused my DR to say yup you have Sjogrens!! I was given an antibiotic and lived on Motrin for a few days!! Frankie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Stephanie Townsend wrote: >Hi All – >I am posting for a friend of mine because you are all a knowledgable bunch. >She is having this strange swelling of the side of her face, around her jaw >line and sometimes up into her cheek. I looks like a tennis ball in the side >of her face where the jaw line meets the neck, and the cheek area will also >look swollen. The swelling lasts for about a day or two and is random in >when it occurs. They thought it might be allergies — it happens right after >she eats, but there is no consistency in which food makes it happen — she >can be fine eating it one time and not the next. The only constant is that >it always happens immediately after eating. I was thinking something with >the salivary glands. I know some of you have Sjoners (spell?) — does that >happen to any of you? Just thought I would ask. >Thanks!!! >Stephanie

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Could be — the first time it happened on both sides of the face and she went to the emergency room – she stumped the docs there. Strange… "J" wrote in message

news:41E72728.6D50CA9@execulink.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Stephanie Townsend wrote: >> I am posting for a friend of mine because you are all a knowledgable >> bunch. >> She is having this strange swelling of the side of her face, around her >> jaw >> line and sometimes up into her cheek. I looks like a tennis ball in the >> side >> of her face where the jaw line meets the neck, and the cheek area will >> also >> look swollen. The swelling lasts for about a day or two and is random in >> when it occurs. They thought it might be allergies — it happens right >> after >> she eats, but there is no consistency in which food makes it happen — >> she >> can be fine eating it one time and not the next. The only constant is >> that >> it always happens immediately after eating. I was thinking something with >> the salivary glands. > could be…also could be infected tooth > J

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 20:53:13 -0500, Stephanie Townsend wrote: > Could be — the first time it happened on both sides of the face and she > went to the emergency room – she stumped the docs there. Strange… > "J" wrote in message > news:41E72728.6D50CA9@execulink.com… >> Stephanie Townsend wrote: >>> I am posting for a friend of mine because you are all a knowledgable >>> bunch. >>> She is having this strange swelling of the side of her face, around her >>> jaw >>> line and sometimes up into her cheek. I looks like a tennis ball in the >>> side >>> of her face where the jaw line meets the neck, and the cheek area will >>> also >>> look swollen. The swelling lasts for about a day or two and is random in >>> when it occurs. They thought it might be allergies — it happens right >>> after >>> she eats, but there is no consistency in which food makes it happen — >>> she >>> can be fine eating it one time and not the next. The only constant is >>> that >>> it always happens immediately after eating. I was thinking something with >>> the salivary glands. >> could be…also could be infected tooth >> J

Sounds to me like a stone in a salivary gland. Just heard something like that on the radio yesterday (I think). I’m certainly no expert so take my guess with a grain of salt, please. Timothy

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Stephanie Townsend wrote: > I am posting for a friend of mine because you are all a knowledgable bunch. > She is having this strange swelling of the side of her face, around her jaw > line and sometimes up into her cheek. I looks like a tennis ball in the side > of her face where the jaw line meets the neck, and the cheek area will also > look swollen. The swelling lasts for about a day or two and is random in > when it occurs. They thought it might be allergies — it happens right after > she eats, but there is no consistency in which food makes it happen — she > can be fine eating it one time and not the next. The only constant is that > it always happens immediately after eating. I was thinking something with > the salivary glands.

could be…also could be infected tooth J

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Swollen Hands and feet???

admin — Wed, 12 Jan 2005 00:00:00 +0000

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I was curious about that myself and was gonna ask the ENT tomorrow. Wow that is a pretty staggering % of failure, if you will. I am waiting on a callback from a doctor that does the Pillar Procedure. whom I call Friday. Hopefully I will here from them tomorrow that way I can get a consultation on that one as well. That is true on the 100% recover. Thank you. I’m glad it is helping as well. My doc did advise me that I cannot stay on the Prednisone for too long plus also read the same online. This one is where I take 4 pills for 3 days, 3 for 3 days, 2 for 3 days and finally 1 for 3 days. I am on day 3 of these so starting tomorrow I will start the slow ramping. We will see where we go from there and also what the Rheumatologist says on Feb 28th. Sure would be nice to know what this is. So what have they been telling your brother? Hopefully they will find out how to treat his as well. Good luck. Tommy "Tiger Lily" wrote in message

news:3659aeF48mfd6U1@individual.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> oh Tommy > research the surgery ’success rate’ for treating sleep apnea > within 5 yrs of the initial surgery something like 80 or 90% of the apnea > patients are back on CPAP > the ‘pillar’ surgery remains to be seen….. we are waiting for reports > back > and over time we will find out what THAT success rate is > if ANY surgeon guarantees 100% recover, RUN , don’t walk away from them!! > they are lying to you > good luck finding out about the swelling…. glad to hear the cortisone is > helping…. but you don’t want to stay on that med long term…….. when > do > you start ramping down on your dose????? > kate > "Tommy Ferrell" wrote in message > news:Q1eLd.89039$Ta2.31792@fe2.texas.rr.com… >> I hope they can find out something because it is just not normal. I also >> hope they can find a treatment. When they came back with my blood >> results >> they told me that my Thyroid, Kidney, Liver, Heart and such was > functioning >> properly and also the my blood sugar levels were great along with my >> cholestiral were fine. So I guess my organs are functioning the way they >> should for now. They only thing that was not with normal range was my >> Lymphocytes which were high and they assumed it was from my allergies so >> they gave me Flonase and Allergra which have helped. >> One odd thing is I have a co-worker that doesn’t even work in the same >> building as I and she is now going through the same stages as I did. She >> went to the doc, they took 3 tubes of blood and then advised that she was >> fine as well. They did give her the same meds, Methylpredsinole. >> Last week after my steroid treatment started to wear off, my symptoms >> came >> back but included my face this time. I went back to the doc as I > mentioned >> in my below response. This time they gave me a 16 day treatment of >> Prednisone which have helped my symptoms a little, just like the >> Methylprednisolone but at least my face isn’t hurting… So now I will > wait >> to see what they tell me tomorrow. >> I also have an appointment tomorrow with the ENT specialist to check on >> surgery options for my sleep apnea. Then on Wednesday I go back to my >> Neurologist to get set up with a CPAP and such… >> Too many things at once. Anyways thank you for your thoughts. >> Tommy >> "Tiger Lily" wrote in message >> news:364pmeF4u2kd7U1@individual.net… >> > "Tommy Ferrell" wrote in message >> > news:SJ%Kd.6872$V51.6468@fe1.texas.rr.com… >> >> Well my first 5 tubes of blood came back clean so they put me on >> >> Methylprednisolone for 6 days. The steroid helped for the first 4 >> >> days >> > then >> >> my symptoms started to come back. So back to the doc I went this past >> >> Thursday and they took 3 more tubes, this time looking for any food or >> >> environmental allergies or Lyme’s Disease. Hopefully will find > something >> >> out Monday. I am also still hanging on to my Feb 28th appointment >> >> with > a >> >> Ruematologist… >> >> Tommy >> > yeah….. they sent my brother to a rheumatologist as well…….. >> > they still haven’t found out why he swells like he does…. and they >> > haven’t found a treatment for it either >> > i hope you have better luck….. and i sure hope it’s not Lyme’s! >> > kate

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oh Tommy research the surgery ’success rate’ for treating sleep apnea within 5 yrs of the initial surgery something like 80 or 90% of the apnea patients are back on CPAP the ‘pillar’ surgery remains to be seen….. we are waiting for reports back and over time we will find out what THAT success rate is if ANY surgeon guarantees 100% recover, RUN , don’t walk away from them!! they are lying to you good luck finding out about the swelling…. glad to hear the cortisone is helping…. but you don’t want to stay on that med long term…….. when do you start ramping down on your dose????? kate "Tommy Ferrell" wrote in message

news:Q1eLd.89039$Ta2.31792@fe2.texas.rr.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I hope they can find out something because it is just not normal. I also > hope they can find a treatment. When they came back with my blood results > they told me that my Thyroid, Kidney, Liver, Heart and such was functioning > properly and also the my blood sugar levels were great along with my > cholestiral were fine. So I guess my organs are functioning the way they > should for now. They only thing that was not with normal range was my > Lymphocytes which were high and they assumed it was from my allergies so > they gave me Flonase and Allergra which have helped. > One odd thing is I have a co-worker that doesn’t even work in the same > building as I and she is now going through the same stages as I did. She > went to the doc, they took 3 tubes of blood and then advised that she was > fine as well. They did give her the same meds, Methylpredsinole. > Last week after my steroid treatment started to wear off, my symptoms came > back but included my face this time. I went back to the doc as I mentioned > in my below response. This time they gave me a 16 day treatment of > Prednisone which have helped my symptoms a little, just like the > Methylprednisolone but at least my face isn’t hurting… So now I will wait > to see what they tell me tomorrow. > I also have an appointment tomorrow with the ENT specialist to check on > surgery options for my sleep apnea. Then on Wednesday I go back to my > Neurologist to get set up with a CPAP and such… > Too many things at once. Anyways thank you for your thoughts. > Tommy > "Tiger Lily" wrote in message > news:364pmeF4u2kd7U1@individual.net… > > "Tommy Ferrell" wrote in message > > news:SJ%Kd.6872$V51.6468@fe1.texas.rr.com… > >> Well my first 5 tubes of blood came back clean so they put me on > >> Methylprednisolone for 6 days. The steroid helped for the first 4 days > > then > >> my symptoms started to come back. So back to the doc I went this past > >> Thursday and they took 3 more tubes, this time looking for any food or > >> environmental allergies or Lyme’s Disease. Hopefully will find something > >> out Monday. I am also still hanging on to my Feb 28th appointment with a > >> Ruematologist… > >> Tommy > > yeah….. they sent my brother to a rheumatologist as well…….. > > they still haven’t found out why he swells like he does…. and they > > haven’t found a treatment for it either > > i hope you have better luck….. and i sure hope it’s not Lyme’s! > > kate

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I hope they can find out something because it is just not normal. I also hope they can find a treatment. When they came back with my blood results they told me that my Thyroid, Kidney, Liver, Heart and such was functioning properly and also the my blood sugar levels were great along with my cholestiral were fine. So I guess my organs are functioning the way they should for now. They only thing that was not with normal range was my Lymphocytes which were high and they assumed it was from my allergies so they gave me Flonase and Allergra which have helped. One odd thing is I have a co-worker that doesn’t even work in the same building as I and she is now going through the same stages as I did. She went to the doc, they took 3 tubes of blood and then advised that she was fine as well. They did give her the same meds, Methylpredsinole. Last week after my steroid treatment started to wear off, my symptoms came back but included my face this time. I went back to the doc as I mentioned in my below response. This time they gave me a 16 day treatment of Prednisone which have helped my symptoms a little, just like the Methylprednisolone but at least my face isn’t hurting… So now I will wait to see what they tell me tomorrow. I also have an appointment tomorrow with the ENT specialist to check on surgery options for my sleep apnea. Then on Wednesday I go back to my Neurologist to get set up with a CPAP and such… Too many things at once. Anyways thank you for your thoughts. Tommy "Tiger Lily" wrote in message

news:364pmeF4u2kd7U1@individual.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Tommy Ferrell" wrote in message > news:SJ%Kd.6872$V51.6468@fe1.texas.rr.com… >> Well my first 5 tubes of blood came back clean so they put me on >> Methylprednisolone for 6 days. The steroid helped for the first 4 days > then >> my symptoms started to come back. So back to the doc I went this past >> Thursday and they took 3 more tubes, this time looking for any food or >> environmental allergies or Lyme’s Disease. Hopefully will find something >> out Monday. I am also still hanging on to my Feb 28th appointment with a >> Ruematologist… >> Tommy > yeah….. they sent my brother to a rheumatologist as well…….. > they still haven’t found out why he swells like he does…. and they > haven’t found a treatment for it either > i hope you have better luck….. and i sure hope it’s not Lyme’s! > kate

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any news yet? "

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"Tommy Ferrell" wrote in message

news:RJzFd.4279$_56.3584@fe2.texas.rr.com… > Well I just came from the doctor. They took 5 things of blood so they could > check multiple things: blood sugar, kidney function, liver function and > mainly for Autoimmune diseases like Lupus. Will see tomorrow once my > results come in. > Thank you, > Tommy

this doesn’t help you but my brother suffers from the same problem ANY activity at all causes his hands and feet to swell to the point of painfulness for him he has been diagnosed with Hashimoto’s disease (autoimmune attack on the thyroid) kate

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Well my first 5 tubes of blood came back clean so they put me on Methylprednisolone for 6 days. The steroid helped for the first 4 days then my symptoms started to come back. So back to the doc I went this past Thursday and they took 3 more tubes, this time looking for any food or environmental allergies or Lyme’s Disease. Hopefully will find something out Monday. I am also still hanging on to my Feb 28th appointment with a Ruematologist… Tommy "Tiger Lily" wrote in message

news:35ihdhF4nvclhU1@individual.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> "Tommy Ferrell" wrote in message > news:RJzFd.4279$_56.3584@fe2.texas.rr.com… >> Well I just came from the doctor. They took 5 things of blood so they > could >> check multiple things: blood sugar, kidney function, liver function and >> mainly for Autoimmune diseases like Lupus. Will see tomorrow once my >> results come in. >> Thank you, >> Tommy > this doesn’t help you but my brother suffers from the same problem ANY > activity at all causes his hands and feet to swell to the point of > painfulness for him > he has been diagnosed with Hashimoto’s disease (autoimmune attack on the > thyroid) > kate

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"Tommy Ferrell" wrote in message

news:SJ%Kd.6872$V51.6468@fe1.texas.rr.com… > Well my first 5 tubes of blood came back clean so they put me on > Methylprednisolone for 6 days. The steroid helped for the first 4 days then > my symptoms started to come back. So back to the doc I went this past > Thursday and they took 3 more tubes, this time looking for any food or > environmental allergies or Lyme’s Disease. Hopefully will find something > out Monday. I am also still hanging on to my Feb 28th appointment with a > Ruematologist… > Tommy

yeah….. they sent my brother to a rheumatologist as well…….. they still haven’t found out why he swells like he does…. and they haven’t found a treatment for it either i hope you have better luck….. and i sure hope it’s not Lyme’s! kate

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On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 19:11:45 GMT, Tommy Ferrell wrote: >Well I just came from the doctor. They took 5 things of blood so they could >check multiple things: blood sugar, kidney function, liver function and >mainly for Autoimmune diseases like Lupus.

I’ve only had them draw five tubes at once one time. It was when they did all the autoimmune stuff (turning up complaining of arthritis and being hypothyroid on the last thyroid check). As I remember, it one of the tests took an entire tube, and the others were because the remaining stuff required different preservatives. (Different tube stopper colors, different preservatives. So they don’t grab pink tubes for girl patients and blue tubes for boy patients.) As far as I’m concerned, five is just about as easy as one for the patient, they do all the extra work.

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Well I just came from the doctor. They took 5 things of blood so they could check multiple things: blood sugar, kidney function, liver function and mainly for Autoimmune diseases like Lupus. Will see tomorrow once my results come in. Thank you, Tommy "Charlie Perrin" wrote in message

news:k3obu0drsdb381kptgogrfm5qtm1kfti1l@4ax.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 00:54:49 GMT, Tommy Ferrell wrote: >>I was wondering if anyone here has had problems with their hands or feet >>swelling? I have sleep apnea and was wondering if the swelling/tingling >>was >>due to lack of oxygen in my blood. Normally it just happens in the >>morning >>but today it has last all day. Any comments would be appreciated. > I would think the that edema would go away in an OSA patient because > their body generates diuretic hormone to concentrate the blood, > sucking fluid from elsewhere. > A lot of OSA patients do have high blood pressure, and some of the > meds can cause fluid accumulation. > In any case, I agree with the advice to see a doctor soon.

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I was wondering if anyone here has had problems with their hands or feet swelling? I have sleep apnea and was wondering if the swelling/tingling was due to lack of oxygen in my blood. Normally it just happens in the morning but today it has last all day. Any comments would be appreciated. Thanks, Tommy

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Boy! Before I asked anyone in here about being swollen I would beat my puffy feet to the doctors office. Swelling can be a sign of a serious condition. One of them congestive heart failure. Best Wishes, Laureen

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Thank you Laureen. I have been doing some searching on line and finding pretty much the same. Guess it is time I head to the doctor or hospital. I got 2 little ones and cannot be leaving them this early in their lives. Thanks again, Tommy "Laureen" wrote in message

news:1105578641.364978.243060@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Boy! Before I asked anyone in here about being swollen I would beat my > puffy feet to the doctors office. Swelling can be a sign of a serious > condition. One of them congestive heart failure. > Best Wishes, Laureen

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On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 00:54:49 GMT, Tommy Ferrell wrote: >I was wondering if anyone here has had problems with their hands or feet >swelling? I have sleep apnea and was wondering if the swelling/tingling was >due to lack of oxygen in my blood. Normally it just happens in the morning >but today it has last all day. Any comments would be appreciated.

I would think the that edema would go away in an OSA patient because their body generates diuretic hormone to concentrate the blood, sucking fluid from elsewhere. A lot of OSA patients do have high blood pressure, and some of the meds can cause fluid accumulation. In any case, I agree with the advice to see a doctor soon.